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amen little brother Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rehab or no rehab you got to want to stop. my experience is that if you dont wanna quit you can got to a thousand rehabs and you aint gonna stop.
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throughout the country! rosie Really? Where? Just out of curiousity, what part of the country. Gwen OF
I don’t know if it still exists but my sister checked herself into a treatment center in Tuscon, AZ in order to quit. IIRC, it was only a 3 week stay but it worked. My sister hasn’t smoked in about 7 years since coming out of the program. I often thought that I would have to do the same to be successful. But thanks to wellbutrin and AS3 where I learned about attitude and cognitive quitting, I am now over two years free without having to check myself into a program. Stan McCann, DOF
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Stan do you happen to remember the name of that facility? "Mesa"???? Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – throughout the country! rosie Really? Where? Just out of curiousity, what part of the country. Gwen OF
I don’t know if it still exists but my sister checked herself into a treatment center in Tuscon, AZ in order to quit. IIRC, it was only a 3 week stay but it worked. My sister hasn’t smoked in about 7 years since coming out of the program. I often thought that I would have to do the same to be successful. But thanks to wellbutrin and AS3 where I learned about attitude and cognitive quitting, I am now over two years free without having to check myself into a program. Stan McCann, DOF
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Sorry, the number of US veterans is closer to 20 million, many of whom smoke. Larry L.
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rehab or no rehab you got to want to stop. my experience is that if you dont wanna quit you can got to a thousand rehabs and you aint gonna stop.
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And your point is? Sir we have well over a 100 million folks just in the US, that is not considering Europe, Asia, South America and the rest of the world…… Many of whom smoke. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry, the number of US veterans is closer to 20 million, many of whom smoke. Larry L.
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The trouble is that my country taught me how to do things with my anger that still give me nightmares. It’s not something to play with. Larry L.
And what gives me nightmares is what our country did to ALL the herioc dogs in VN!:(((((( Makes me ill just to think about. Military Equipment, ya right. Those dogs saved more lives than you anyone can ever imagine. Don’t get me started on about our wonderful country. Gwen OF
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throughout the country! rosie
Really? Where? Just out of curiousity, what part of the country. Gwen OF
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At times I agree with the Vets you know, but some VA Hospitals have some of the best treatment programs in the world if you know where they are and how to get into them (and can put up with the VA crap). Plus, with over 10 million veterans in this country (USA) we do make up a significant part of the "general" population. The original question was "are there any rehab programs for smokers" and I responded with the one I knew about. As to anger, if not for the meds I take I would most likely be in prison as the result of my anger meeting someone who plays with anger like you do. The trouble is that my country taught me how to do things with my anger that still give me nightmares. It’s not something to play with. Larry L.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Larry, You have a point, but, old son, controlled anger is a part of my stock-in trade. As a vet you have some benefits the "rest of the world" do not have. You earned them. By the way, funny story (not ha ha funny), I have a couple of vets in my program right now, they would rather pay than deal with the other part of that "earned service". By the way here, in this forum, most of the time we address the situations that effect the general population. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false You’re both wrong and partially right on a couple of things Bob, as usual. One, I do get it for free. As much as some people don’t like it, if you put your life on the line for your country you do get some benefits in return (even if given grudgingly). On this quit I haven’t needed the in-patient program, but it’s there for me if I ask for it. That it is very expensive, I have no doubt. If you read anything I wrote previously you would have seen this. You need to get some help with that anger problem Bob. That is something I know a lot about. It will drive you back to smoking if you don’t deal with it. Larry L. Put your money where your mouth is, in the state of Minnesota there is indeed an in-patient treatment facility which deals with nicotine addiction, at the tune of thousands a week. Good program, good people, Hazelden. They are well known in addictions treatment. You and I can not handle it. The cost for Outpatient treatment of nicotine addiction would run about $900. per month in the Primary phases of treatment, as the nicotine addiction is rather tough to deal with can you see Primary care lasting 6 months???? YOU CAN NOT HANDLE IT! Oh wait, I might be a bit slow, here, you want someone else to pay? If so you do not have a grasp on the real world, the American Cancer Society has had programs of a free, volunteer nature for years, they are under utilized and do not work. What is it you want? I know, a magic cure, say these words over the poor suffering nicotine addicts and they shall be cured, praise the fucking lord. It don’t work! We have a hellashous relapse rate, some folk have to relapse, some folks need to beat the shit out of themselves before they can "get it". By the way Larry L. I have a bit of inside information in this area, I have run an outpatient clinic for the past 15 years working exclusively with addictive disease. And I do indeed know where the bear shit in your woods. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false
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throughout the country! rosie —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s BS Bob. There is more than enough expertise and money available but for the reasons a number of posters to this NG have pointed out it is not going to happen. If enough people stood up and demanded it, it might happen but there would always (even if the intention behind it is good) be someone who would stand up and say "you can’t handle it". Actually the reason I truly believe it won’t happen is our Wonderful US Gov. is really behind the Tobacco industry. Thus they are not willing to say smokers need rehab cuz then it would be admitting that they had legalized a addictive substance and kept it legal. Besides the Gov and hospitals, medical industry gets more money from people getting sick from the backlash of smoking than for all the smokers to quit tomorrow. JMO, nothing more. Gwen OF
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Larry, You have a point, but, old son, controlled anger is a part of my stock-in trade. As a vet you have some benefits the "rest of the world" do not have. You earned them. By the way, funny story (not ha ha funny), I have a couple of vets in my program right now, they would rather pay than deal with the other part of that "earned service". By the way here, in this forum, most of the time we address the situations that effect the general population. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re both wrong and partially right on a couple of things Bob, as usual. One, I do get it for free. As much as some people don’t like it, if you put your life on the line for your country you do get some benefits in return (even if given grudgingly). On this quit I haven’t needed the in-patient program, but it’s there for me if I ask for it. That it is very expensive, I have no doubt. If you read anything I wrote previously you would have seen this. You need to get some help with that anger problem Bob. That is something I know a lot about. It will drive you back to smoking if you don’t deal with it. Larry L. Put your money where your mouth is, in the state of Minnesota there is indeed an in-patient treatment facility which deals with nicotine addiction, at the tune of thousands a week. Good program, good people, Hazelden. They are well known in addictions treatment. You and I can not handle it. The cost for Outpatient treatment of nicotine addiction would run about $900. per month in the Primary phases of treatment, as the nicotine addiction is rather tough to deal with can you see Primary care lasting 6 months???? YOU CAN NOT HANDLE IT! Oh wait, I might be a bit slow, here, you want someone else to pay? If so you do not have a grasp on the real world, the American Cancer Society has had programs of a free, volunteer nature for years, they are under utilized and do not work. What is it you want? I know, a magic cure, say these words over the poor suffering nicotine addicts and they shall be cured, praise the fucking lord. It don’t work! We have a hellashous relapse rate, some folk have to relapse, some folks need to beat the shit out of themselves before they can "get it". By the way Larry L. I have a bit of inside information in this area, I have run an outpatient clinic for the past 15 years working exclusively with addictive disease. And I do indeed know where the bear shit in your woods. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false
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Put your money where your mouth is, in the state of Minnesota there is indeed an in-patient treatment facility which deals with nicotine addiction, at the tune of thousands a week. Good program, good people, Hazelden. They are well known in addictions treatment. You and I can not handle it. The cost for Outpatient treatment of nicotine addiction would run about $900. per month in the Primary phases of treatment, as the nicotine addiction is rather tough to deal with can you see Primary care lasting 6 months???? YOU CAN NOT HANDLE IT! Oh wait, I might be a bit slow, here, you want someone else to pay? If so you do not have a grasp on the real world, the American Cancer Society has had programs of a free, volunteer nature for years, they are under utilized and do not work. What is it you want? I know, a magic cure, say these words over the poor suffering nicotine addicts and they shall be cured, praise the fucking lord. It don’t work! We have a hellashous relapse rate, some folk have to relapse, some folks need to beat the shit out of themselves before they can "get it". By the way Larry L. I have a bit of inside information in this area, I have run an outpatient clinic for the past 15 years working exclusively with addictive disease. And I do indeed know where the bear shit in your woods. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rehab, you want rehab, you can’t handle rehab. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false That’s BS Bob. There is more than enough expertise and money available but for the reasons a number of posters to this NG have pointed out it is not going to happen. If enough people stood up and demanded it, it might happen but there would always (even if the intention behind it is good) be someone who would stand up and say "you can’t handle it". Larry L. One month, four weeks, two days, 19 hours, 16 minutes and 39 seconds. 1176 cigarettes not smoked, saving $176.41. Life saved: 4 days, 2 hours, 0 minutes.
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Can’t agree with you more Gwen. Until the time comes when enough people care more about the health of themselves and others than money nothing will really happen. Larry L.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually the reason I truly believe it won’t happen is our Wonderful US Gov. is really behind the Tobacco industry. Thus they are not willing to say smokers need rehab cuz then it would be admitting that they had legalized a addictive substance and kept it legal. Besides the Gov and hospitals, medical industry gets more money from people getting sick from the backlash of smoking than for all the smokers to quit tomorrow. JMO, nothing more. Gwen OF
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You’re both wrong and partially right on a couple of things Bob, as usual. One, I do get it for free. As much as some people don’t like it, if you put your life on the line for your country you do get some benefits in return (even if given grudgingly). On this quit I haven’t needed the in-patient program, but it’s there for me if I ask for it. That it is very expensive, I have no doubt. If you read anything I wrote previously you would have seen this. You need to get some help with that anger problem Bob. That is something I know a lot about. It will drive you back to smoking if you don’t deal with it. Larry L.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Put your money where your mouth is, in the state of Minnesota there is indeed an in-patient treatment facility which deals with nicotine addiction, at the tune of thousands a week. Good program, good people, Hazelden. They are well known in addictions treatment. You and I can not handle it. The cost for Outpatient treatment of nicotine addiction would run about $900. per month in the Primary phases of treatment, as the nicotine addiction is rather tough to deal with can you see Primary care lasting 6 months???? YOU CAN NOT HANDLE IT! Oh wait, I might be a bit slow, here, you want someone else to pay? If so you do not have a grasp on the real world, the American Cancer Society has had programs of a free, volunteer nature for years, they are under utilized and do not work. What is it you want? I know, a magic cure, say these words over the poor suffering nicotine addicts and they shall be cured, praise the fucking lord. It don’t work! We have a hellashous relapse rate, some folk have to relapse, some folks need to beat the shit out of themselves before they can "get it". By the way Larry L. I have a bit of inside information in this area, I have run an outpatient clinic for the past 15 years working exclusively with addictive disease. And I do indeed know where the bear shit in your woods. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false
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This has been a bone of contention fo rme for quite some time. This is also not limited to smoking, but a way of doing business for the health care profession overall. When my wife had given birth to our second child and was concerned about her weight, she asked her docotr about alternatives. the doctor gave her a prescription for some weight loss medication. My wife threw out the prescription and went on a diet and started exercising instead. I was curious why there were all types of doctors listed in the big book we received from our insurance company, but they had no dieticians. It seems to me that the school of thought for the mediacl profession has gone from preventative to reactionary care overall. I’m not sure if the reason is that the mediacl profession is bowing to the patients wishes – something along the lines of "I don’t care if drinking ruined my liver, I’m not going to stop, so fix me up anyway". Or if the current medical plans do not allow the doctors adequate time to get to know the patients well enough to provide preventaitve health care. My current doctor’s office requires making an appointment 2 months in advance for a non-emergency visit. The docotrs office usually has one new doctor join the staff and another leave every year. Since my family doctor from when I was a kid retired when I was 20, I’ve seen 13 different doctors, and only one have I seen more than once. I guess in todays fast paced world, there’s just no time and no desire to take the preventative approach anymore, and health care has become more of a drive-thru enterprise. IMHO anyway. Greg Groth
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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Rehab, you want rehab, you can’t handle rehab. No, really folks, you all would not be willing to pay for rehab as it stands and the insurance companies don’t even want that can of worms opened. Another big problem is the relapse rates,,,,, wow. But, the American Cancer folks and Kaiser-folks do have formalized programs for us all. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks.
Sherry I agree with this above sentence. I have NEVER understood why they don’t pay for the patches, zyban etc. NEVER. As far as rehab places I do understand that. I do think it would be opening a can of worms. Besides the relapse rate really is too high. Maybe a counseling system or a free group therapy but that is as far as I feel it should go. Just my $.02 Gwen OF
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Rehab, you want rehab, you can’t handle rehab. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false
That’s BS Bob. There is more than enough expertise and money available but for the reasons a number of posters to this NG have pointed out it is not going to happen. If enough people stood up and demanded it, it might happen but there would always (even if the intention behind it is good) be someone who would stand up and say "you can’t handle it". Larry L. One month, four weeks, two days, 19 hours, 16 minutes and 39 seconds. 1176 cigarettes not smoked, saving $176.41. Life saved: 4 days, 2 hours, 0 minutes.
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That’s BS Bob. There is more than enough expertise and money available but for the reasons a number of posters to this NG have pointed out it is not going to happen. If enough people stood up and demanded it, it might happen but there would always (even if the intention behind it is good) be someone who would stand up and say "you can’t handle it".
Actually the reason I truly believe it won’t happen is our Wonderful US Gov. is really behind the Tobacco industry. Thus they are not willing to say smokers need rehab cuz then it would be admitting that they had legalized a addictive substance and kept it legal. Besides the Gov and hospitals, medical industry gets more money from people getting sick from the backlash of smoking than for all the smokers to quit tomorrow. JMO, nothing more. Gwen OF
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They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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Good luck to you Sherry. It gives me something to think about. I wish there was rehab for smokers. Deb mountainwoman
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday….
Hey, Sherry – you’re right. It has always been my dream to open the stop smoking b&b. The staff will tolerate your abuse ( Hello, room service, where’s my fucking breakfast? Answer – do you want your god damn eggs fucking fried or scrambled asshole?), we will have lots of low-cal munchies, 24 hour support groups, hot tubs, exercise, no way to get a cigarette and private rooms with Billi’s dish smashing areas! A smoker can get away for a week or two, abuse the staff instead of his/her loved ones and employer and, best of all, the whole program should be covered by insurance. This has been my "if I win the lottery" dream for a long time. If anyone out there is rolling in loot and wants to invest in this project, let me know. I think it could work bigtime! Maude
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There were a few grueling weeks – I think 6 and 7 – of my quit where I wondered the same thing. I felt like I was losing my resolve and wanted an insurance company to pay for me to be locked in a cell for six months and the pain of it all washed away by some white pill. I would in the end have to overcome the new addiction to the pill but surely it would be less painful than the nicotine addiction. Adrienne OF – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab?
I thought the exact same thing. It makes sense to me! Sherry will reset meter Monday….
Janet "The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping the old ones, which ramify, for those brought up as most of us have been, into every corner of our minds." John Maynard Keynes
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The VA Hospital in Loma Linda CA does have a "smoker rehab" program. It’s an inpatient program for those who really want to quit but are too addicted to do it on their own. I’m told it lasts 30 days and they are under constant supervision and kept very busy so they don’t have time to sit around thinking about smoking. The doctor in charge says that they have a 90% plus rate for staying smoke free for more than 6 months. That’s way better than any other quit program. Got to be costing the VA a lot of money though. I don’t know if any other VA Hospital has a similar program. Larry L. One month, four weeks, two days, 10 hours, 41 minutes and 12 seconds. 1168 cigarettes not smoked, saving $175.34. Life saved: 4 days, 1 hour, 20 minutes.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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Good luck to you Sherry. It gives me something to think about. I wish there was rehab for smokers. Deb mountainwoman
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday….
Hey, Sherry – you’re right. It has always been my dream to open the stop smoking b&b. The staff will tolerate your abuse ( Hello, room service, where’s my fucking breakfast? Answer – do you want your god damn eggs fucking fried or scrambled asshole?), we will have lots of low-cal munchies, 24 hour support groups, hot tubs, exercise, no way to get a cigarette and private rooms with Billi’s dish smashing areas! A smoker can get away for a week or two, abuse the staff instead of his/her loved ones and employer and, best of all, the whole program should be covered by insurance. This has been my "if I win the lottery" dream for a long time. If anyone out there is rolling in loot and wants to invest in this project, let me know. I think it could work bigtime! Maude
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There were a few grueling weeks – I think 6 and 7 – of my quit where I wondered the same thing. I felt like I was losing my resolve and wanted an insurance company to pay for me to be locked in a cell for six months and the pain of it all washed away by some white pill. I would in the end have to overcome the new addiction to the pill but surely it would be less painful than the nicotine addiction. Adrienne OF – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab?
I thought the exact same thing. It makes sense to me! Sherry will reset meter Monday….
Janet "The difficulty lies, not in the new ideas, but in escaping the old ones, which ramify, for those brought up as most of us have been, into every corner of our minds." John Maynard Keynes
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The VA Hospital in Loma Linda CA does have a "smoker rehab" program. It’s an inpatient program for those who really want to quit but are too addicted to do it on their own. I’m told it lasts 30 days and they are under constant supervision and kept very busy so they don’t have time to sit around thinking about smoking. The doctor in charge says that they have a 90% plus rate for staying smoke free for more than 6 months. That’s way better than any other quit program. Got to be costing the VA a lot of money though. I don’t know if any other VA Hospital has a similar program. Larry L. One month, four weeks, two days, 10 hours, 41 minutes and 12 seconds. 1168 cigarettes not smoked, saving $175.34. Life saved: 4 days, 1 hour, 20 minutes.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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This has been a bone of contention fo rme for quite some time. This is also not limited to smoking, but a way of doing business for the health care profession overall. When my wife had given birth to our second child and was concerned about her weight, she asked her docotr about alternatives. the doctor gave her a prescription for some weight loss medication. My wife threw out the prescription and went on a diet and started exercising instead. I was curious why there were all types of doctors listed in the big book we received from our insurance company, but they had no dieticians. It seems to me that the school of thought for the mediacl profession has gone from preventative to reactionary care overall. I’m not sure if the reason is that the mediacl profession is bowing to the patients wishes – something along the lines of "I don’t care if drinking ruined my liver, I’m not going to stop, so fix me up anyway". Or if the current medical plans do not allow the doctors adequate time to get to know the patients well enough to provide preventaitve health care. My current doctor’s office requires making an appointment 2 months in advance for a non-emergency visit. The docotrs office usually has one new doctor join the staff and another leave every year. Since my family doctor from when I was a kid retired when I was 20, I’ve seen 13 different doctors, and only one have I seen more than once. I guess in todays fast paced world, there’s just no time and no desire to take the preventative approach anymore, and health care has become more of a drive-thru enterprise. IMHO anyway. Greg Groth
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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Rehab, you want rehab, you can’t handle rehab. No, really folks, you all would not be willing to pay for rehab as it stands and the insurance companies don’t even want that can of worms opened. Another big problem is the relapse rates,,,,, wow. But, the American Cancer folks and Kaiser-folks do have formalized programs for us all. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have drug rehab, and alcohol rehab, why the hell don’t they have cigarette rehab? If smoking is as addictive as morphine, don’t we deserve a break too? And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks. My two cents for the day. Sherry will reset meter Monday…. — http://www.fortunecity.com/business/buffett/1520/index.htm
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And why will the insurance companies pay for cancer and heart disease treatment caused by smoking but not for Zyban or patches or gum? Sucks.
Sherry I agree with this above sentence. I have NEVER understood why they don’t pay for the patches, zyban etc. NEVER. As far as rehab places I do understand that. I do think it would be opening a can of worms. Besides the relapse rate really is too high. Maybe a counseling system or a free group therapy but that is as far as I feel it should go. Just my $.02 Gwen OF
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Rehab, you want rehab, you can’t handle rehab. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false
That’s BS Bob. There is more than enough expertise and money available but for the reasons a number of posters to this NG have pointed out it is not going to happen. If enough people stood up and demanded it, it might happen but there would always (even if the intention behind it is good) be someone who would stand up and say "you can’t handle it". Larry L. One month, four weeks, two days, 19 hours, 16 minutes and 39 seconds. 1176 cigarettes not smoked, saving $176.41. Life saved: 4 days, 2 hours, 0 minutes.
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That’s BS Bob. There is more than enough expertise and money available but for the reasons a number of posters to this NG have pointed out it is not going to happen. If enough people stood up and demanded it, it might happen but there would always (even if the intention behind it is good) be someone who would stand up and say "you can’t handle it".
Actually the reason I truly believe it won’t happen is our Wonderful US Gov. is really behind the Tobacco industry. Thus they are not willing to say smokers need rehab cuz then it would be admitting that they had legalized a addictive substance and kept it legal. Besides the Gov and hospitals, medical industry gets more money from people getting sick from the backlash of smoking than for all the smokers to quit tomorrow. JMO, nothing more. Gwen OF
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Put your money where your mouth is, in the state of Minnesota there is indeed an in-patient treatment facility which deals with nicotine addiction, at the tune of thousands a week. Good program, good people, Hazelden. They are well known in addictions treatment. You and I can not handle it. The cost for Outpatient treatment of nicotine addiction would run about $900. per month in the Primary phases of treatment, as the nicotine addiction is rather tough to deal with can you see Primary care lasting 6 months???? YOU CAN NOT HANDLE IT! Oh wait, I might be a bit slow, here, you want someone else to pay? If so you do not have a grasp on the real world, the American Cancer Society has had programs of a free, volunteer nature for years, they are under utilized and do not work. What is it you want? I know, a magic cure, say these words over the poor suffering nicotine addicts and they shall be cured, praise the fucking lord. It don’t work! We have a hellashous relapse rate, some folk have to relapse, some folks need to beat the shit out of themselves before they can "get it". By the way Larry L. I have a bit of inside information in this area, I have run an outpatient clinic for the past 15 years working exclusively with addictive disease. And I do indeed know where the bear shit in your woods. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rehab, you want rehab, you can’t handle rehab. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false That’s BS Bob. There is more than enough expertise and money available but for the reasons a number of posters to this NG have pointed out it is not going to happen. If enough people stood up and demanded it, it might happen but there would always (even if the intention behind it is good) be someone who would stand up and say "you can’t handle it". Larry L. One month, four weeks, two days, 19 hours, 16 minutes and 39 seconds. 1176 cigarettes not smoked, saving $176.41. Life saved: 4 days, 2 hours, 0 minutes.
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Can’t agree with you more Gwen. Until the time comes when enough people care more about the health of themselves and others than money nothing will really happen. Larry L.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually the reason I truly believe it won’t happen is our Wonderful US Gov. is really behind the Tobacco industry. Thus they are not willing to say smokers need rehab cuz then it would be admitting that they had legalized a addictive substance and kept it legal. Besides the Gov and hospitals, medical industry gets more money from people getting sick from the backlash of smoking than for all the smokers to quit tomorrow. JMO, nothing more. Gwen OF
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You’re both wrong and partially right on a couple of things Bob, as usual. One, I do get it for free. As much as some people don’t like it, if you put your life on the line for your country you do get some benefits in return (even if given grudgingly). On this quit I haven’t needed the in-patient program, but it’s there for me if I ask for it. That it is very expensive, I have no doubt. If you read anything I wrote previously you would have seen this. You need to get some help with that anger problem Bob. That is something I know a lot about. It will drive you back to smoking if you don’t deal with it. Larry L.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Put your money where your mouth is, in the state of Minnesota there is indeed an in-patient treatment facility which deals with nicotine addiction, at the tune of thousands a week. Good program, good people, Hazelden. They are well known in addictions treatment. You and I can not handle it. The cost for Outpatient treatment of nicotine addiction would run about $900. per month in the Primary phases of treatment, as the nicotine addiction is rather tough to deal with can you see Primary care lasting 6 months???? YOU CAN NOT HANDLE IT! Oh wait, I might be a bit slow, here, you want someone else to pay? If so you do not have a grasp on the real world, the American Cancer Society has had programs of a free, volunteer nature for years, they are under utilized and do not work. What is it you want? I know, a magic cure, say these words over the poor suffering nicotine addicts and they shall be cured, praise the fucking lord. It don’t work! We have a hellashous relapse rate, some folk have to relapse, some folks need to beat the shit out of themselves before they can "get it". By the way Larry L. I have a bit of inside information in this area, I have run an outpatient clinic for the past 15 years working exclusively with addictive disease. And I do indeed know where the bear shit in your woods. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false
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Larry, You have a point, but, old son, controlled anger is a part of my stock-in trade. As a vet you have some benefits the "rest of the world" do not have. You earned them. By the way, funny story (not ha ha funny), I have a couple of vets in my program right now, they would rather pay than deal with the other part of that "earned service". By the way here, in this forum, most of the time we address the situations that effect the general population. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re both wrong and partially right on a couple of things Bob, as usual. One, I do get it for free. As much as some people don’t like it, if you put your life on the line for your country you do get some benefits in return (even if given grudgingly). On this quit I haven’t needed the in-patient program, but it’s there for me if I ask for it. That it is very expensive, I have no doubt. If you read anything I wrote previously you would have seen this. You need to get some help with that anger problem Bob. That is something I know a lot about. It will drive you back to smoking if you don’t deal with it. Larry L. Put your money where your mouth is, in the state of Minnesota there is indeed an in-patient treatment facility which deals with nicotine addiction, at the tune of thousands a week. Good program, good people, Hazelden. They are well known in addictions treatment. You and I can not handle it. The cost for Outpatient treatment of nicotine addiction would run about $900. per month in the Primary phases of treatment, as the nicotine addiction is rather tough to deal with can you see Primary care lasting 6 months???? YOU CAN NOT HANDLE IT! Oh wait, I might be a bit slow, here, you want someone else to pay? If so you do not have a grasp on the real world, the American Cancer Society has had programs of a free, volunteer nature for years, they are under utilized and do not work. What is it you want? I know, a magic cure, say these words over the poor suffering nicotine addicts and they shall be cured, praise the fucking lord. It don’t work! We have a hellashous relapse rate, some folk have to relapse, some folks need to beat the shit out of themselves before they can "get it". By the way Larry L. I have a bit of inside information in this area, I have run an outpatient clinic for the past 15 years working exclusively with addictive disease. And I do indeed know where the bear shit in your woods. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false
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throughout the country! rosie —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s BS Bob. There is more than enough expertise and money available but for the reasons a number of posters to this NG have pointed out it is not going to happen. If enough people stood up and demanded it, it might happen but there would always (even if the intention behind it is good) be someone who would stand up and say "you can’t handle it". Actually the reason I truly believe it won’t happen is our Wonderful US Gov. is really behind the Tobacco industry. Thus they are not willing to say smokers need rehab cuz then it would be admitting that they had legalized a addictive substance and kept it legal. Besides the Gov and hospitals, medical industry gets more money from people getting sick from the backlash of smoking than for all the smokers to quit tomorrow. JMO, nothing more. Gwen OF
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throughout the country! rosie
Really? Where? Just out of curiousity, what part of the country. Gwen OF
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At times I agree with the Vets you know, but some VA Hospitals have some of the best treatment programs in the world if you know where they are and how to get into them (and can put up with the VA crap). Plus, with over 10 million veterans in this country (USA) we do make up a significant part of the "general" population. The original question was "are there any rehab programs for smokers" and I responded with the one I knew about. As to anger, if not for the meds I take I would most likely be in prison as the result of my anger meeting someone who plays with anger like you do. The trouble is that my country taught me how to do things with my anger that still give me nightmares. It’s not something to play with. Larry L.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Larry, You have a point, but, old son, controlled anger is a part of my stock-in trade. As a vet you have some benefits the "rest of the world" do not have. You earned them. By the way, funny story (not ha ha funny), I have a couple of vets in my program right now, they would rather pay than deal with the other part of that "earned service". By the way here, in this forum, most of the time we address the situations that effect the general population. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false You’re both wrong and partially right on a couple of things Bob, as usual. One, I do get it for free. As much as some people don’t like it, if you put your life on the line for your country you do get some benefits in return (even if given grudgingly). On this quit I haven’t needed the in-patient program, but it’s there for me if I ask for it. That it is very expensive, I have no doubt. If you read anything I wrote previously you would have seen this. You need to get some help with that anger problem Bob. That is something I know a lot about. It will drive you back to smoking if you don’t deal with it. Larry L. Put your money where your mouth is, in the state of Minnesota there is indeed an in-patient treatment facility which deals with nicotine addiction, at the tune of thousands a week. Good program, good people, Hazelden. They are well known in addictions treatment. You and I can not handle it. The cost for Outpatient treatment of nicotine addiction would run about $900. per month in the Primary phases of treatment, as the nicotine addiction is rather tough to deal with can you see Primary care lasting 6 months???? YOU CAN NOT HANDLE IT! Oh wait, I might be a bit slow, here, you want someone else to pay? If so you do not have a grasp on the real world, the American Cancer Society has had programs of a free, volunteer nature for years, they are under utilized and do not work. What is it you want? I know, a magic cure, say these words over the poor suffering nicotine addicts and they shall be cured, praise the fucking lord. It don’t work! We have a hellashous relapse rate, some folk have to relapse, some folks need to beat the shit out of themselves before they can "get it". By the way Larry L. I have a bit of inside information in this area, I have run an outpatient clinic for the past 15 years working exclusively with addictive disease. And I do indeed know where the bear shit in your woods. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false
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The trouble is that my country taught me how to do things with my anger that still give me nightmares. It’s not something to play with. Larry L.
And what gives me nightmares is what our country did to ALL the herioc dogs in VN!:(((((( Makes me ill just to think about. Military Equipment, ya right. Those dogs saved more lives than you anyone can ever imagine. Don’t get me started on about our wonderful country. Gwen OF
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Sorry, the number of US veterans is closer to 20 million, many of whom smoke. Larry L.
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rehab or no rehab you got to want to stop. my experience is that if you dont wanna quit you can got to a thousand rehabs and you aint gonna stop.
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And your point is? Sir we have well over a 100 million folks just in the US, that is not considering Europe, Asia, South America and the rest of the world…… Many of whom smoke. Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry, the number of US veterans is closer to 20 million, many of whom smoke. Larry L.
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amen little brother Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rehab or no rehab you got to want to stop. my experience is that if you dont wanna quit you can got to a thousand rehabs and you aint gonna stop.
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throughout the country! rosie Really? Where? Just out of curiousity, what part of the country. Gwen OF
I don’t know if it still exists but my sister checked herself into a treatment center in Tuscon, AZ in order to quit. IIRC, it was only a 3 week stay but it worked. My sister hasn’t smoked in about 7 years since coming out of the program. I often thought that I would have to do the same to be successful. But thanks to wellbutrin and AS3 where I learned about attitude and cognitive quitting, I am now over two years free without having to check myself into a program. Stan McCann, DOF
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Stan do you happen to remember the name of that facility? "Mesa"???? Bob W smober — Go look at the greatest birds on this planet, A few new things! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=920736&Auth=false – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – throughout the country! rosie Really? Where? Just out of curiousity, what part of the country. Gwen OF
I don’t know if it still exists but my sister checked herself into a treatment center in Tuscon, AZ in order to quit. IIRC, it was only a 3 week stay but it worked. My sister hasn’t smoked in about 7 years since coming out of the program. I often thought that I would have to do the same to be successful. But thanks to wellbutrin and AS3 where I learned about attitude and cognitive quitting, I am now over two years free without having to check myself into a program. Stan McCann, DOF
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. Don’t know what it would be but I asked about Methadone, xanax and he said no to both. I do take Klonopin. I had been addicted to xanax and MSIR’s but I went to a detox place that was absolutely awful. The strange thing is that once I get into a totally constricted confinement, my pain comes back with a 10+ When they took me off the MSIR, I was put on Percocet. I had bad pain for about a week and then it suddenly left. That was mid February but I kept taking them but 3 times a day as prescribed until about the beg of March.. You are not taking the pills for pain anymore. Why are you taking them? Are you self-medicating for anxiety? Depression? Are you having trouble sleeping? Percocet might seem like a way to treat those problems, but there are much better ways… I urge you to seek more effective help. Or are you just thinking of yourself as "addicted" because you have symptoms of physical dependence? If you’ve been taking Percocet every day for a long time, you might need to reduce the dose very gradually to avoid withdrawal symptoms. That takes a few weeks, but it’s easy and almost painless. I see a psychiatrist for depression and panic/anxiety and the Percocet definetly help the anxiety which was dangerous for me. They also put me on Klonopin instead of xanax. Maybe I am thinking of myself as being addicted or having anxiety over the thought of being addicted AGAIN to something. Somehow I’m gonna get through this. One of my fears is that if I do get pain I don’t know how to handle it. There I go again, projecting. Sort of like crying worlf. My husband is laying in the hospital on the 3rd day after surgery with about 100 stitches down the middle and when the ask him if he needs something for pain he says no he doesn’t have any pain. I can’t hardly believe it. It only hurts when he has to cough. He will be coming home either Sunday or Monday. Probably Sunday if its up to the ins. company. One question I forgot to ask the doc. If the dosage is every 6 hours, how do I work that out during the night if I’m sleeping. I hate to set the alarm to wake up. I’m on Seroquel and Remeron going to bed and that knocks me out for the night but then my schedule would be out of wack. Any suggestions? The other night when I called I got one of the other docs in the group and she said to set the alarm for 6 hours and to stick with it faithfully at 6 hours. Will keep posting and than you all for your input and caring and compassion. Thanks, Carmen 
. Read what I have been writing. Geeze, kids now days. Golly third month I am impressed with your understanding of addiction. (after 16 years of full time work in the addictions treatment field even I don’t understand it all) Bob W Two months, four weeks, 3 hours, 51 minutes and 18 seconds. 4458 cigarettes not smoked, saving $891.19. Life saved: 2 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 30 minutes. You do what you got to do to do what you got to do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yo, dip stick :0) read the whole post "UNTIL", is the key word. I agree to "pay the price" for my own addictive process but until you understand addiction and the disease process you might want to reserve judgement. Yo ass munch 
Don’t think I understand addiction? Don’t even go there, I’m in the 3rd month of my quit… Think again… Anyway, smoking was my choice, quitting was also my choice. If I die or become ill as a result of smoking, I have no one to blame but myself… Eric. Two months, two weeks, three days, 21 hours, 49 minutes and 21 seconds. 1972 cigarettes not smoked, saving fl 279,32. Life saved: 6 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes. 
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