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(Karl F. Johanson) writes:
: : : : I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk :right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen :two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because :they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the :vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain :is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to :be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can :kill more innocent people or your selves. : : I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ :years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space :cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or :driving on the roads with me. : :This is the biggest load of shit I have ever read (well since the last :ignorant moron claimed that they knew something about the effects of :pot). : :Yeah. Don’t say anything bad about pot while the worshipers are :listening. They get so upset. : :I have seen more people being run over or killed in car crashes :because of the irresponsible use of alcohol than through pot. : :The fact is, noone can justify the legal status of pot while alcohol :ruins so many lives (and not just the lives of those who use it). : :Okay, make alcohol illegal too. : :It is (should be) everyone’s right to do whatever they like provided :that they do not inconvenience others by so doing. I know some smart :arse is going to misquote that, but I think that most people will take :it as it was meant. : :If there were less control freaks determined to bend everyone else to :their will, the world would be a much better place. : :Ian (and yes I do smoke pot!) : :I hope you don’t have a drivers licence. : :GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. : :Just get a life and stop interfering with everyone elses’. : 
.S. Maybe people want to be so out of their faces that they can’t :think… how does that effect you? : :Oh, I don’t know. My uncle fished a 5 year old girl out of the ocean. 
nce. Her pot smoking parents watched her walk off a dock & just sat :there oblivious to it. It doesn’t always only affect the user. : : :– : Karl Johanson, Victoria B.C. Canada :-It’s okay to disagree with me. However, once I explain where you’re :wrong you’re supposed to become enlightened & change your mind. :Congratulating me on how smart I am is optional. Perhaps we might think of those who are suffering..the use of pot may indeed help them. And of course everything can be misused…but may be we can give the dying a break.
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Hey everyone I am SORRY for what ever I did in responding to these two people’s discussion. I had something to say and thought it was alright well I guess it isn’t because one of them sent me a nice little FLAMING EMAIL. It was so hot that I dumpped two glasses of tea on the computer screen. I must have hit a sore note! Waaaasssit sometin me sed? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Get a clue Jim. You are probably very old or very stupid. Either way, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Matt Matt I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me. GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. Jim in Ore. Jim, there ain’t no mines around here. Come into the 1990’s. Live in the Now! Just because you know a ignorant truck driver, who obviously doesn’t know how to drive in the first place, that killed people, it doesn’t mean pot should be illegal. Alcohol has caused more highway deaths, and it is legal. Your arguement is baseless. You see someone sitting on the street corner in a daze and you ASS-U-ME that he is a pot head. Maybe he is an alcololic. Another baseless arguement. And I am not a pot head! Just because I believe it should be legal, it doesn’t mean that I smoke the stuff. I don’t smoke anything and I don’t believe that kids should have access to it. But the drugs laws have not accomplished this in over 70 years. It’s time to regulate it so kids will not have access to it. It is harder for kids to get alcohol than it is for them to get cocaine and people like you would put aside your responsibility to keeping drugs out of the hands of children. DRUG LAWS DO NOT WORK, IT IS A FAILED POLICY! I never said that people should be allowed to smoke and drive, but with your arguement, you should not be allowed to eat, drink anything, or smoke anything, or do anything else but drive, while driving a car. I could see giving someone a ticket for driving with it in their car, maybe. But to waste taxpayers money and law enforcements time putting every pot smoker through the system is just plain stupidity. And as the laws are now, you can’t regulate who drives high and who doesn’t. The only way you can tell is if they have it on them. Maybe if it was legal, they could at least try to stop people from driving high. You know, if you’re so paranoid to drive, why don’t you just stay home. It’s a scary world out there and if it’s too rough for you, then you should just play it safe and stay home. I think you’re both right and wrong. I just wrote to one of the other articles about this very thing. The guy talking about Nam is exactlyu right. The other guy is partialy right too. Why should we let the govt. take govt. payoffs for drug trafficing to keep it illegal keeps the stuff on the street and at very porfitable prices. Our own CIA even protects the drug lords of Columbia and other coutries. (China) If it were legal it would not be as readily available on the street because the money for the risk is not there. Read about Prohibition and then simply use DRUGs in the place of alchol; My self I would like to see it all abolished completely but, I am realistic in the fact you can not stop illegal or illitcit items from being on the agenda especially when there is a lot of money to be made that makes it worth the risk. Then our court system is making our crack down on drugs a joke by turning people lose a few months after they are put away. No, the guy who wants it stopped is right. 65% of the general populkation now freely uses drugs and the govt. is where I got these general figures. Now, tell me. That we should not simply KILL every single person that kills another while under the influence of anything other than air.
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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get a clue Jim. You are probably very old or very stupid. Either way, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Matt Matt I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me. GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. Jim in Ore. Jim, there ain’t no mines around here. Come into the 1990’s. Live in the Now! Just because you know a ignorant truck driver, who obviously doesn’t know how to drive in the first place, that killed people, it doesn’t mean pot should be illegal. Alcohol has caused more highway deaths, and it is legal. Your arguement is baseless. You see someone sitting on the street corner in a daze and you ASS-U-ME that he is a pot head. Maybe he is an alcololic. Another baseless arguement. And I am not a pot head! Just because I believe it should be legal, it doesn’t mean that I smoke the stuff. I don’t smoke anything and I don’t believe that kids should have access to it. But the drugs laws have not accomplished this in over 70 years. It’s time to regulate it so kids will not have access to it. It is harder for kids to get alcohol than it is for them to get cocaine and people like you would put aside your responsibility to keeping drugs out of the hands of children. DRUG LAWS DO NOT WORK, IT IS A FAILED POLICY! I never said that people should be allowed to smoke and drive, but with your arguement, you should not be allowed to eat, drink anything, or smoke anything, or do anything else but drive, while driving a car. I could see giving someone a ticket for driving with it in their car, maybe. But to waste taxpayers money and law enforcements time putting every pot smoker through the system is just plain stupidity. And as the laws are now, you can’t regulate who drives high and who doesn’t. The only way you can tell is if they have it on them. Maybe if it was legal, they could at least try to stop people from driving high. You know, if you’re so paranoid to drive, why don’t you just stay home. It’s a scary world out there and if it’s too rough for you, then you should just play it safe and stay home.
I think you’re both right and wrong. I just wrote to one of the other articles about this very thing. The guy talking about Nam is exactlyu right. The other guy is partialy right too. Why should we let the govt. take govt. payoffs for drug trafficing to keep it illegal keeps the stuff on the street and at very porfitable prices. Our own CIA even protects the drug lords of Columbia and other coutries. (China) If it were legal it would not be as readily available on the street because the money for the risk is not there. Read about Prohibition and then simply use DRUGs in the place of alchol; My self I would like to see it all abolished completely but, I am realistic in the fact you can not stop illegal or illitcit items from being on the agenda especially when there is a lot of money to be made that makes it worth the risk. Then our court system is making our crack down on drugs a joke by turning people lose a few months after they are put away. No, the guy who wants it stopped is right. 65% of the general populkation now freely uses drugs and the govt. is where I got these general figures. Now, tell me. That we should not simply KILL every single person that kills another while under the influence of anything other than air.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sorry for the long include- everything is relevant… [responding to my post] in response to the post below, my problem with cannabis prohibition in relation to the legality of alchohol is that the government is waging a war on drugs and one of there excuses (sorry, "reasons") is to protect the masses from the harmful effects of marijuana. their list of harmful effects include cannabis addiction, detrimental and illegal actions of cannabis users, cost to society of cannabis usage, etc–the so called list goes on. the point in arguing that alchohol is much more harmful than cannabis is not to show that alchohol should be legalized as well. it is to show that if the government’s reasons for keeping cannabis illegal were true, then they would also make alchohol illegal for the same reasons. the fact that alchohol is still legal and cannabis still illegal shows that the governments real reasons for making and keeping cannabis illegal are based more on old stereotypes, prejudices, and other reasons much less glorious than protection of the citizenry. obviously i don’t know exactly the motivation of those who make and change legislation. however by pointing out their hypocrisy with alchohol legal and cannabis illegal does raise the question of what exactly their motivation is. Agreed. On the other hand, there are so many areas in which the beaurocracy is hyporicitical, and drugs is just not one of the major ones. Btw, beaurocracy is general is based on non-thinking clerks, and not thinking people. Thats the only way to make it efficient (yeah, I know). Its not a matter of motivation- its a matter of structure. The only motivation can come from the people whom the beaurocracy serves- that is, the population. So long as the population is not motivated enough to change the structure it depends on, there will be no change. i don’t think that alchohol should be made illegal. i think that the actions of the government with regards to drugs should be constant. and the prohibition of cannabis and the legality of marijuana show that this is not the case. Actually, its very consistent. You have to think in terms of keeping stability (which is the aim of any large organization- and the government beaurocracy is such) over anything else. The specific issues just dont come into it. The highest priority is stagnation, and changing, or shaping, forces must come from outside. You, that is. Apparently, not enough people consider alcohol to be as awful as I believe it is. So not a big enough force is used in trying to change the way alcohol is handled. Same goes for drugs- the situation, as it is, is satisfying for the vast majority of people, and thus there is not enough force used to change it. This all might soung confused, probably since Im typing really fast because of time pressure, but I hope its understandable. 10x, Barak
This guy is exactly right except for one small detail. There was a huge amount of money goint into the govt. during prohibition to keep prohibition going. The more something is kept from society the higher price one can charge for those that wish to have it. This is how it has been through out history. I don’t want drugs or alchohol but others do and if they are denyed this they will find a way to get these items. Well, since alchol was legalized the profits went to hell and the govt. took its share anyway. Do a check on the tax in an area near you and then project how much is sold in just your area and give yourself a conservative esimate of what is sold nation wide and you will see the state and national govts. make in the 100s of millions on this alone. Then tobacco. Next it will be drugs if the contributions from the drug lords ever drops below what certain people think they ought to be recieving.
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Sorry for the long include- everything is relevant…
[responding to my post] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -in response to the post below, my problem with cannabis prohibition in relation to the legality of alchohol is that the government is waging a war on drugs and one of there excuses (sorry, "reasons") is to protect the masses from the harmful effects of marijuana. their list of harmful effects include cannabis addiction, detrimental and illegal actions of cannabis users, cost to society of cannabis usage, etc–the so called list goes on. the point in arguing that alchohol is much more harmful than cannabis is not to show that alchohol should be legalized as well. it is to show that if the government’s reasons for keeping cannabis illegal were true, then they would also make alchohol illegal for the same reasons. the fact that alchohol is still legal and cannabis still illegal shows that the governments real reasons for making and keeping cannabis illegal are based more on old stereotypes, prejudices, and other reasons much less glorious than protection of the citizenry. obviously i don’t know exactly the motivation of those who make and change legislation. however by pointing out their hypocrisy with alchohol legal and cannabis illegal does raise the question of what exactly their motivation is.
Agreed. On the other hand, there are so many areas in which the beaurocracy is hyporicitical, and drugs is just not one of the major ones. Btw, beaurocracy is general is based on non-thinking clerks, and not thinking people. Thats the only way to make it efficient (yeah, I know). Its not a matter of motivation- its a matter of structure. The only motivation can come from the people whom the beaurocracy serves- that is, the population. So long as the population is not motivated enough to change the structure it depends on, there will be no change. i don’t think that alchohol should be made illegal. i think that the actions of the government with regards to drugs should be constant. and the prohibition of cannabis and the legality of marijuana show that this is not the case.
Actually, its very consistent. You have to think in terms of keeping stability (which is the aim of any large organization- and the government beaurocracy is such) over anything else. The specific issues just dont come into it. The highest priority is stagnation, and changing, or shaping, forces must come from outside. You, that is. Apparently, not enough people consider alcohol to be as awful as I believe it is. So not a big enough force is used in trying to change the way alcohol is handled. Same goes for drugs- the situation, as it is, is satisfying for the vast majority of people, and thus there is not enough force used to change it. This all might soung confused, probably since Im typing really fast because of time pressure, but I hope its understandable. 10x, Barak
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get a clue Jim. You are probably very old or very stupid. Either way, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Matt Matt I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me. GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. Jim in Ore.
Jim, there ain’t no mines around here. Come into the 1990’s. Live in the Now! Just because you know a ignorant truck driver, who obviously doesn’t know how to drive in the first place, that killed people, it doesn’t mean pot should be illegal. Alcohol has caused more highway deaths, and it is legal. Your arguement is baseless. You see someone sitting on the street corner in a daze and you ASS-U-ME that he is a pot head. Maybe he is an alcololic. Another baseless arguement. And I am not a pot head! Just because I believe it should be legal, it doesn’t mean that I smoke the stuff. I don’t smoke anything and I don’t believe that kids should have access to it. But the drugs laws have not accomplished this in over 70 years. It’s time to regulate it so kids will not have access to it. It is harder for kids to get alcohol than it is for them to get cocaine and people like you would put aside your responsibility to keeping drugs out of the hands of children. DRUG LAWS DO NOT WORK, IT IS A FAILED POLICY! I never said that people should be allowed to smoke and drive, but with your arguement, you should not be allowed to eat, drink anything, or smoke anything, or do anything else but drive, while driving a car. I could see giving someone a ticket for driving with it in their car, maybe. But to waste taxpayers money and law enforcements time putting every pot smoker through the system is just plain stupidity. And as the laws are now, you can’t regulate who drives high and who doesn’t. The only way you can tell is if they have it on them. Maybe if it was legal, they could at least try to stop people from driving high. You know, if you’re so paranoid to drive, why don’t you just stay home. It’s a scary world out there and if it’s too rough for you, then you should just play it safe and stay home.
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Jim in ore (who’s seen pot ruin a lot of lives)
I’ve seen alcohol, cocain, and other hard drugs ruin peoples lives, but I’ve never seen MJ ruin a life. I have, however, seen MJ LAWS ruin peoples lives. "The punishment for the use of a drug should not be more damaging to the individual than the use of the drug itself." (paraphrased) - Former Pres. Jimmy Carter. Get a clue Jim. You are probably very old or very stupid. Either way, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Matt
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Get a clue Jim. You are probably very old or very stupid. Either way, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Matt
Matt I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me. GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. Jim in Ore.
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X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Lines: 111 in response to the post below, my problem with cannabis prohibition in relation to the legality of alchohol is that the government is waging a war on drugs and one of there excuses (sorry, "reasons") is to protect the masses from the harmful effects of marijuana. their list of harmful effects include cannabis addiction, detrimental and illegal actions of cannabis users, cost to society of cannabis usage, etc–the so called list goes on. the point in arguing that alchohol is much more harmful than cannabis is not to show that alchohol should be legalized as well. it is to show that if the government’s reasons for keeping cannabis illegal were true, then they would also make alchohol illegal for the same reasons. the fact that alchohol is still legal and cannabis still illegal shows that the governments real reasons for making and keeping cannabis illegal are based more on old stereotypes, prejudices, and other reasons much less glorious than protection of the citizenry. obviously i don’t know exactly the motivation of those who make and change legislation. however by pointing out their hypocrisy with alchohol legal and cannabis illegal does raise the question of what exactly their motivation is. i don’t think that alchohol should be made illegal. i think that the actions of the government with regards to drugs should be constant. and the prohibition of cannabis and the legality of marijuana show that this is not the case. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am replying although I am not the original poster to which this post answers: You never answered if you smoke or drank. CIGARETTES and ALCOHOL are the worst drugs in the world by the fact that THEY AFFECT MORE PEOPLE AND DO MORE DAMAGE than all other drugs combined. That is fact!! Whoaaa…. so what youre saying, basically, is that since cigarettess and alcohol do a lot more damage then drugs, we should legalize drugs and have *another* thing to damage ourselves with? Im sorry, that just doesnt make sense. The sane reasoning would be to ban alcohol and tobacco, not legalize drugs. It is time for everyone to stop judging everyone else. Responsible persons should be free to do as they desire. It is their life. How true. The sad fact is that responsible people usually dont get addicted to drugs. It is the irresponsible people who do. The enormous War on Drugs budget could easily provide for treatment, counseling, etc., Its a point of view. Its not necessarily true. It is possible that the investement on health care would greatly exceed the amounts spent on fighting drugs in the first place. Also, the social considerations (and there *are* social considerations, much as you dont like to admit it) has to be taken into account. is not right to judge them for doing what YOU think they shouldn’t do. Do you have religion in your life? If so, what kind? Just curious. This is a very gray area. One of the ideas of modern society, something that differs us from many simple mammals, is that the strong protect the weak while not abusing them. Where to draw the line is the biggest problem of all, and is actually the nature of this discussion. I am an atheist. I resent your foregone and completely wrong (idiotic) conclusion that because of what you have seen ALL pot smokers are bad people. Very true. I do not believe in judging people, but rather learning them; but it is also true that most people characterize other people based on their own values. You have to accept this as normal behaviour, as much as it is annoying. I am not even sure you do not do this yourself regarding your values; do you think prostitutes are "bad"? more to the point, *you* are judging the original poster based on your own values, as you claim his conclusion is idiotic, and in other places in the post, you hint that he is stupid. You are doing much the same as he, only on a smaller scale (regarding him only, when he is referring to a group of people- pot smokers). Believe me, I would bet on the odds that you know people you would never suspect of using pot. They are all around you and they are not the cause of the problems society faces because of the War on Drugs. Attitudes like yours cause many problems for all of us. Again, you are using the same attitude that is the basis for what you deem as wrong. Cant you see that by not accepting the original poster’s point of view as valid (and it is, since this is a moral issue), you are giving him legitimate claim to disregard your own views? Try to explain. Dont fight. We will all be in a much better world if we did that, I think. You should get a life and stop being so judgmental of others. Isn’t there something else to entertain your mind other than ranting and raving about something you have no "real" experience with? Actually, the original poster *has* experience with drugs. He has stated this in his post. He has seen many people who were badly effected by drugs, and so developed the view, from his experiences with these people, that drugs are bad. If you want to prove him wrong, show him where he went wrong. Dont judge him to be judgemental…
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me. This is the biggest load of shit I have ever read (well since the last ignorant moron claimed that they knew something about the effects of pot).
Yeah. Don’t say anything bad about pot while the worshipers are listening. They get so upset. I have seen more people being run over or killed in car crashes because of the irresponsible use of alcohol than through pot. The fact is, noone can justify the legal status of pot while alcohol ruins so many lives (and not just the lives of those who use it).
Okay, make alcohol illegal too. It is (should be) everyone’s right to do whatever they like provided that they do not inconvenience others by so doing. I know some smart arse is going to misquote that, but I think that most people will take it as it was meant. If there were less control freaks determined to bend everyone else to their will, the world would be a much better place. Ian (and yes I do smoke pot!)
I hope you don’t have a drivers licence. GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. Just get a life and stop interfering with everyone elses’. P.S. Maybe people want to be so out of their faces that they can’t think… how does that effect you?
Oh, I don’t know. My uncle fished a 5 year old girl out of the ocean. once. Her pot smoking parents watched her walk off a dock & just sat there oblivious to it. It doesn’t always only affect the user. — Karl Johanson, Victoria B.C. Canada -It’s okay to disagree with me. However, once I explain where you’re wrong you’re supposed to become enlightened & change your mind. Congratulating me on how smart I am is optional.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am replying although I am not the original poster to which this post answers: You never answered if you smoke or drank. CIGARETTES and ALCOHOL are the worst drugs in the world by the fact that THEY AFFECT MORE PEOPLE AND DO MORE DAMAGE than all other drugs combined. That is fact!! Whoaaa…. so what youre saying, basically, is that since cigarettess and alcohol do a lot more damage then drugs, we should legalize drugs and have *another* thing to damage ourselves with? Im sorry, that just doesnt make sense. The sane reasoning would be to ban alcohol and tobacco, not legalize drugs.
Hey, ever hear of Prohibition? Worked great, didn’t it? Gave us the Mafia, gave us poisonous bathtub gin, gave us crime in the streets and all that other fun stuff. No country has ever managed to prohibit a recreational drug that its citizens wanted. That’s history. Argue with history if you must, but if you must, you’re a fool. It is time for everyone to stop judging everyone else. Responsible persons should be free to do as they desire. It is their life. How true. The sad fact is that responsible people usually dont get addicted to drugs. It is the irresponsible people who do.
And they do so whether the drug is prohibited or not. The enormous War on Drugs budget could easily provide for treatment, counseling, etc., Its a point of view. Its not necessarily true. It is possible that the investement on health care would greatly exceed the amounts spent on fighting drugs in the first place.
This is nonsense. It costs far more to keep someone in prison for several years than in a residential treatment program for several months. And this doesn’t count all the enforcement dollars, the dollars drained from the economy by the drug trade, the taxes lost, the productivity lost by ruining people’s lives. Also, the social considerations (and there *are* social considerations, much as you dont like to admit it) has to be taken into account.
What are these social considerations? Sorry, but you don’t have a right to be free of the annoyance of knowing that people are doing something you disapprove of. is not right to judge them for doing what YOU think they shouldn’t do. Do you have religion in your life? If so, what kind? Just curious. This is a very gray area. One of the ideas of modern society, something that differs us from many simple mammals, is that the strong protect the weak while not abusing them. Where to draw the line is the biggest problem of all, and is actually the nature of this discussion. I am an atheist.
So, do you think the strong, the wealthy, the influential, the powerful, are the ones who go to jail for drug offenses? Gee, Michael Irvin really did hard time, didn’t he? I resent your foregone and completely wrong (idiotic) conclusion that because of what you have seen ALL pot smokers are bad people. Very true. I do not believe in judging people, but rather learning them; but it is also true that most people characterize other people based on their own values. You have to accept this as normal behaviour, as much as it is annoying. I am not even sure you do not do this yourself regarding your values; do you think prostitutes are "bad"?
Not me. Boy, they have a shitty job, though. more to the point, *you* are judging the original poster based on your own values, as you claim his conclusion is idiotic, and in other places in the post, you hint that he is stupid. You are doing much the same as he, only on a smaller scale (regarding him only, when he is referring to a group of people- pot smokers).
Oh, I really feel sorry for prohibitionists, who have to endure the anguish of being called stupid on Usenet. I’m kidding. When pot smokers are serving time in jail, I don’t have much regard for the feelings of those whose stupid, destructive, hateful attitudes put those innocents there… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Believe me, I would bet on the odds that you know people you would never suspect of using pot. They are all around you and they are not the cause of the problems society faces because of the War on Drugs. Attitudes like yours cause many problems for all of us. Again, you are using the same attitude that is the basis for what you deem as wrong. Cant you see that by not accepting the original poster’s point of view as valid (and it is, since this is a moral issue), you are giving him legitimate claim to disregard your own views? Try to explain. Dont fight. We will all be in a much better world if we did that, I think. You should get a life and stop being so judgmental of others. Isn’t there something else to entertain your mind other than ranting and raving about something you have no "real" experience with? Actually, the original poster *has* experience with drugs. He has stated this in his post. He has seen many people who were badly effected by drugs, and so developed the view, from his experiences with these people, that drugs are bad. If you want to prove him wrong, show him where he went wrong. Dont judge him to be judgemental…
I don’t care if everyone he met used drugs and raped their fathers; it does not give him the right to call all drug users father rapers. It is bigotry, pure and simple. You’re saying, in effect, that we should not judge the Klan harshly, because, after all, he has his reasons for hating blacks. Sorry, but that’s just a little too politically correct for me. Snink
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get a clue Jim. You are probably very old or very stupid. Either way, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Matt Matt I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me. GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. Jim in Ore.
Right on, Jim! From another vet… Bill Mayers, RT, RN Vietnam Veterans of America
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You are absolutely right since I don’t feel that you are any of your great drug buddies deserve any compassion. Give him 30 years and keep him locked up for all of the 30 and see if he can break the habit. You guys who are so anxious to change the laws on drugs just don’t have the guts to break your druggy habit so you want to relieve your pain by trying to make drugs legal. Why don’t you move to Switzerland where they have treid their best to legalize drugs and the entire country has suffered. Good luck to each of you. Paul Yep, and perhaps we should send all those kids to jail who used whiskey to deaden a toothache when I was a kid… C’mon… the truth of the matter is that marijuana DOES help people to overcome nausea from cancer treatments, which IS important, since if they don’t eat, they don’t get any nutrients to strengthen their immune system which is ALSO damaged by the cancer treatment. Did you see the 60+ year old woman who committed suicide because her husband was being arrested and lost everything he owned for making butter from marijuana to ease her pain and suffering… she didn’t want to be used as a pawn in the WAR against her 65 year old "druggie" HA husband….
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I am replying although I am not the original poster to which this post answers: You never answered if you smoke or drank. CIGARETTES and ALCOHOL are the worst drugs in the world by the fact that THEY AFFECT MORE PEOPLE AND DO MORE DAMAGE than all other drugs combined. That is fact!!
Whoaaa…. so what youre saying, basically, is that since cigarettess and alcohol do a lot more damage then drugs, we should legalize drugs and have *another* thing to damage ourselves with? Im sorry, that just doesnt make sense. The sane reasoning would be to ban alcohol and tobacco, not legalize drugs. It is time for everyone to stop judging everyone else. Responsible persons should be free to do as they desire. It is their life.
How true. The sad fact is that responsible people usually dont get addicted to drugs. It is the irresponsible people who do. The enormous War on Drugs budget could easily provide for treatment, counseling, etc.,
Its a point of view. Its not necessarily true. It is possible that the investement on health care would greatly exceed the amounts spent on fighting drugs in the first place. Also, the social considerations (and there *are* social considerations, much as you dont like to admit it) has to be taken into account. is not right to judge them for doing what YOU think they shouldn’t do. Do you have religion in your life? If so, what kind? Just curious.
This is a very gray area. One of the ideas of modern society, something that differs us from many simple mammals, is that the strong protect the weak while not abusing them. Where to draw the line is the biggest problem of all, and is actually the nature of this discussion. I am an atheist. I resent your foregone and completely wrong (idiotic) conclusion that because of what you have seen ALL pot smokers are bad people.
Very true. I do not believe in judging people, but rather learning them; but it is also true that most people characterize other people based on their own values. You have to accept this as normal behaviour, as much as it is annoying. I am not even sure you do not do this yourself regarding your values; do you think prostitutes are "bad"? more to the point, *you* are judging the original poster based on your own values, as you claim his conclusion is idiotic, and in other places in the post, you hint that he is stupid. You are doing much the same as he, only on a smaller scale (regarding him only, when he is referring to a group of people- pot smokers). Believe me, I would bet on the odds that you know people you would never suspect of using pot. They are all around you and they are not the cause of the problems society faces because of the War on Drugs. Attitudes like yours cause many problems for all of us.
Again, you are using the same attitude that is the basis for what you deem as wrong. Cant you see that by not accepting the original poster’s point of view as valid (and it is, since this is a moral issue), you are giving him legitimate claim to disregard your own views? Try to explain. Dont fight. We will all be in a much better world if we did that, I think. You should get a life and stop being so judgmental of others. Isn’t there something else to entertain your mind other than ranting and raving about something you have no "real" experience with?
Actually, the original poster *has* experience with drugs. He has stated this in his post. He has seen many people who were badly effected by drugs, and so developed the view, from his experiences with these people, that drugs are bad. If you want to prove him wrong, show him where he went wrong. Dont judge him to be judgemental…
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I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me.
This is the biggest load of shit I have ever read (well since the last ignorant moron claimed that they knew something about the effects of pot). I have seen more people being run over or killed in car crashes because of the irresponsible use of alcohol than through pot. The fact is, noone can justify the legal status of pot while alcohol ruins so many lives (and not just the lives of those who use it). It is (should be) everyone’s right to do whatever they like provided that they do not inconvenience others by so doing. I know some smart arse is going to misquote that, but I think that most people will take it as it was meant. If there were less control freaks determined to bend everyone else to their will, the world would be a much better place. Ian (and yes I do smoke pot!) GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED.
Just get a life and stop interfering with everyone elses’. P.S. Maybe people want to be so out of their faces that they can’t think… how does that effect you?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get a clue Jim. You are probably very old or very stupid. Either way, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Matt Matt I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me. GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. Jim in Ore. Get a clue Jim. You are probably very old or very stupid. Either way, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Matt Matt I ain’t that old but old enough to have seen pot heads in Nam walk right into the middle of a mine field and get blow to hell. I have seen two pot head driving semi rigs take out at of 8 other people because they were token when they should have been driving. I have seen the vancant stare of pot heads sitting on street corners because their brain is fired. Not it’s you pot head that haven’t lived long enough not to be stupid. And the solution is not legalization so you pot head can kill more innocent people or your selves. I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me. GET A LIFE BY FIRST GETTING OFF THE WEED. Jim in Ore.
Jim, Hopefully you are reading some of the comments to your first flame about the original post. You have seen all these horrible things where pot did so much damage because you obviously have it set in your head that pot is bad. No matter what, no matter the personal experiences or relief reported by users of pot, recreational and medicinal; no matter that it does not do near the damage alcohol and cigarettes do; so what if our govt. spends BILLIONS on a lost cause, YOUR tax dollars; you don’t have a chance to learn by refusing to listen. I am assuming (sounds like) you have no personal experience with pot. Too bad. Maybe you would be a little more mellow and less judgmental. You never answered if you smoke or drank. CIGARETTES and ALCOHOL are the worst drugs in the world by the fact that THEY AFFECT MORE PEOPLE AND DO MORE DAMAGE than all other drugs combined. That is fact!! It is time for everyone to stop judging everyone else. Responsible persons should be free to do as they desire. It is their life. If they do something that injures another, it should be dealt with in a manner consistent with the harm caused. The enormous War on Drugs budget could easily provide for treatment, counseling, etc., for any person who can’t handle whatever it is in their life, be it cigarettes, alcohol, pot, chocolate. It is not right to judge them for doing what YOU think they shouldn’t do. Do you have religion in your life? If so, what kind? Just curious. I resent your foregone and completely wrong (idiotic) conclusion that because of what you have seen ALL pot smokers are bad people. Some of the best people around smoke pot and I can see why they wouldn’t let you know. Believe me, I would bet on the odds that you know people you would never suspect of using pot. They are all around you and they are not the cause of the problems society faces because of the War on Drugs. Attitudes like yours cause many problems for all of us. There are good cops, and bad cops. Good teachers, and bad teachers. Etc., etc. Throughout society there are good and bad of every kind. You should get a life and stop being so judgmental of others. Isn’t there something else to entertain your mind other than ranting and raving about something you have no "real" experience with? Open your mind while you’re at it. There is more to everything than any one of us knows, especially if it involves politics, money, govt. and power. If a person can keep learning they have an opportunity to grow. Don’t shut yourself off from that opportunity — to learn more than you know. There’s always something more …..
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I that case let’s legalize drugs, then pass laws that I don’ have to give you a job, that I don’t have to feed your family because your too stoned all the time to work, and you can’t get a drivers licence because I don’t wan’t me an my family to be wiped out by a pot head at the wheel of a car. And don’t give that crap that doing drugs doesn’t mean that you can’t be responsible, because by definition, if your were responsible you wouldn’t be doing drugs to excape reality. Jim, I hate to tell you this, but the government helps admitted alcoholics to purchase their liquor by giving them disability pay because they are unfit to work… can’t stay sober for 8 hours!!! These people retain their driver’s licenses and are driving around on gasoline that we pay for so they can get to and from the beer distributors. BTW, I’ve NEVER seen someone get high on MJ and then pick a fight at a night club, run over a child, beat up their wife or kids…. in fact I’ve seen people become more mellow and relaxed on mj… while the opposite is true of alcohol… I’ve never lost a family member to M., but have lost several from alcohol. Is M. good for someone? probably not… but neither is too much junk food, not enough vegies and too much coffee… should we outlaw those as well?
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<< In general, well at least in the electronic manufacturing business, their performance as a group lacks far behind any other including those who use drugs. If I am going to penalize employees on the basis of performance, would you allow me to dismiss these folks first? Without ranting and raving about my violating their freedom of religion? ….. Didn’t think so! So save your santimonious nonsense for someone who is guilable enough to believe them. Hmmm… my husband is the production manager of an electronic component company. He’s a Christian, treats his employees with respect, and "as he’d like to be treated". His father is NOT a Christian… tells everyone how stupid they are, that they are not allowed to speak to one another unless on a break, and gives himself huge bonuses while telling the employees there isn’t any money for Christmas bonuses this year. He also claims the holocaust is a figment of crazy people’s imaginations, and knows every ethnic slur ever spoken in English. He starts work at 10 and leaves at 3, while my husband puts in 50-60 hours a week and doesn’t get paid overtime, because he is on salary… (no, that isn’t legal) Personally, I’d rather work for, with, or in charge of any business where my someone like my husband works…. but obviously not ALL athiests are so rude, and some of us are open minded about many things… not just hand picked topics.
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<<<And the laws against drugs have not only trashed the Bill of Rights, the penalties are utterly absurd. People getting 10 or 20 years just for having some marijauna? Violent criminals, the ones who *should* be in jail, or having to be released because of overcrowding due to the stupid mandatory minimums for drug offenders (where violent crime has *no* mandatory minimum). How’s that for ludicrous? And a man who beat a 2 year old little girl to death in Pittsburgh is I agree completely.
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I keep hearing of the responsible pot use, but guess what in my 45+ years all the responsible pot users have eather quit or they are space cases that I don’t want operating power equipment, flying aircraft, or driving on the roads with me.
I assume you’d say the same about people using opium or heroin? (Both of which are prescribed every day as painkillers) Let’s retain a sense of proportion here… yes, cannabis includes narcotics, the same as alcohol and tobacco (far more serious problems than pot, and sold on street corners), but THC can be medically beneficial in many cases, where the alternatives are either unacceptable or have more unpleasant side effects. Since you’re in the US, you might consider that at least two states have recently passed legislation, legalising the use of THC for medical purposes. — regards, Ianp (who was also a guest for part of The Asian Affair, and saw the benefits of pot as a sedative/painkiller when the more "official" supplies of morphine – an aggressively addictive drug – ran out.) http://www.darktower.com/ "Suddenly, and without warning, there was this Total Eclipse Of The Sun"
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