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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess. Thanks folks, -Chad Original Lynn’s LC Chocolate Recipe 4 squares of unsweetened baking chocolate 1 pint of cream 6 – 10 packets of Splenda 1 stick of butter 1/2 C of nuts (almonds or pecans or walnuts) more if you prefer 2 teaspoons of vanilla extract Using a double boiler, I melt the chocolate and butter together. Once they are melted, I add the vanilla, sweetener, and slowly stir in the cream. (Once melted I turn off the heat).

This is very important — if you don’t do this, the fat will separate.   Also, if you can get a liquid splenda, use it.  The regular splenda tastes funky when heated. — Bob in CT

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Using a double boiler, I melt the chocolate and butter together. Once they are melted, I add the vanilla, sweetener, and slowly stir in the cream. (Once melted I turn off the heat). This is very important — if you don’t do this, the fat will separate. Also, if you can get a liquid splenda, use it.  The regular splenda tastes funky when heated.

Ah-ha ! Another bugged worked out of the process. Thank You. *

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I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet … So how about if I made my own?

You also just posted a thread titled "Well I did it again, I failed on my first day". Okay, now you know why you have failed each attempt.  You haven’t made it past day one and you are already focusing on foods not allowed during Induction. Dude, get past it.  You’ll never make it through Induction doing this. Focus on actually following the directions not tricks to get aorund them.  Yeah it’s hard to follow the directions, but many folks on ASDLC *did* survive Induction. The simple fact is many folks DO get over their chocolate addiction during Induction and it has less grip on everyone by the end.  Feed an addiction make it stronger.  Starve an addiction make it weaker. Homemade low carb recipes using baking chocolate are fine for later. You are not currently in the "later" phase.  GET there first, then come right on back and ask again.

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I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess. Thanks folks, -Chad

CHOCOLATES Coating 1 square unsweetened baking chocolate 4 pkgs. sweetener 1T. heavy cream 1T. butter Melt and set aside and let cool a little. Filling 1-8 oz. pkg. softened cream cheese 1 pkg. sugar free Jell-O gelatin Form filling into 24 balls. Chill until firm. Dip into the cooled coating. Set on a cookie sheet covered with wax paper and chill. Makes 24. 33gm carb/each ALMOND CHOCOLATE 4 oz. unsweetened chocolate 1/2 c. butter 8 T. heavy cream 1/2 c. ground almonds 1 T. vanilla 20 pkgs. sweetener Melt all ingredients. Pour into a buttered 11 x 7 pan. Freeze. Cut into 12 equal size bars. I haven’t made either of these, so I don’t know how they’ll turn out. Yvonne

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess. Thanks folks, -Chad

This is a great subject for lovers of chocolate and low carb. I am also on a personal quest to make my own chocolates. On my first try I made a fudge with creamcheese, cream, and chocolate that had a great flavor. I spooned it into little paper candy cups and kept them in the frig. They were rich and chocolately, and because I did not use too much splenda they were on the bittersweet side which I like. Pretty good for a start. I’ve made it twice. However, I could not keep the oil in the cream cheese from separating. I’ll be sure and post here regarding my low carb chocolate escapades now that I know I have a kindred soul out there. *

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I used to work for a large chocolate mfgr. Milk chocolate should be able to be made with pure chocolate(as in unsweetened baking squares), your choice of artificial sweetener, powdered milk and cocoa butter.  Toss in some lecithin as an emulsifier, mix for a long time, melt to 130 deg F and then temper at about 94 def F, pour into molds.  Unfortunately I don’t remember the proportions.  Something like mostly the chocolate, then the powdered milk, sweetener and enough cocoa butter to get it to be runny.  I don’t know where you get plain edible cocoa butter. Good luck.  FUN! Chocolate is almost as good as meat.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess. Thanks folks, -Chad

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Lynne’s chocolate: http://www.lowcarb.org/lynschoc.html

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I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess. Thanks folks, -Chad

Original Lynn’s LC Chocolate Recipe 4 squares of unsweetened baking chocolate 1 pint of cream 6 – 10 packets of Splenda 1 stick of butter 1/2 C of nuts (almonds or pecans or walnuts) more if you prefer 2 teaspoons of vanilla extract Using a double boiler, I melt the chocolate and butter together. Once they are melted, I add the vanilla, sweetener, and slowly stir in the cream. (Once melted I turn off the heat). When the cream is well blended and the mixture is sweet enough for my palate, I add the nuts. Finally, I pour the chocolate on a foil-lined cookie sheet and spread it out to the thickness of a candy bar, then freeze it. When frozen, I break or cut it into pieces that approximate the size of a candy bar, put it in a ziplock bag and store in the freezer. When I need a fix, I grab a piece and indulge. Lynn’s Choclate 1 oz unsweetened chocolate 2 tbsp butter 1 tbsp cream 1 tsp vanilla extract 8 packets equal 1 oz crushed nuts (macadamias are nice) Melt chocolate and butter, carefully. Remove from heat, stir in cream and vanilla, Stir in equal, fold in nuts. Pour into tin-foil-lined something or other. Chill Ver 1 I’ve been making Lynne’s chocolate with Splenda for a while.  I came up with this variation since I was looking for a smoother texture.  It is basically the same except I use sour cream instead of whipping cream. 2 OZ unsweetened chocolate (I use Baker’s brand) 2 tbsp sour cream (no point in using low fat stuff) 1 tbsp vanilla extract 3 tbsp (about) of Splenda (sugar equivalent kind) 1 pat of butter Melt the butter and chocolate over low heat in a small saucepan.  While that is going on, mix the sour cream, vanilla, and Splenda in a measuring cup.  The total mixture should be about 1/2 cup, and a smooth confection all by itself.   This is a very forgiving recipe and you can vary the proportion of sour cream to sweetener, but I recommend keeping the total to 1/2 cup. When the chocolate is melted mix it the cream/ sweetener in until the blend is smooth.  Then press it into whatever (foil lined) and stick it in the refrigerator to harden. Ver 2 I posted it under heading of Ross Chocolates I started out using well knowns Lynn’s Chocolate recipe I change delete or add things…lots of times I just use 2 sq bakers unsweetened chcolate melt in a pan  along with 8 oz cream cheese, liquid splenda as sweet as I want teaspoon of vanilla a bit of butter.  I press this mixture out on a greased peice of tin foil and keep in freezer, break off peices as needed.  I put blanched almonds on top before I freeze.  tastes better then any LC store bought chocolate IMO. Ver 3 This is how I do it and it always comes out fine. 1/4 c butter melting in a saucepan, add 2 squares of Bakers unsweetened chocolate, continue to melt completely.  When all melted take of heat and add 2 T. of cream and stir.  Add 1/2 t vanilla and stir.  Add 2/3 c splenda (8 packs equal)and stir and return to heat while stirring until smooth.  Add 1/2 c chopped almonds and 1/2 unsweetened coconut. Stir and put into candy baking cups. Refrigerate and enjoy. Ver 4 I use the following 4 tbs of butter 2 squares of bakers unsweetened chocolate 2 tbs of whipping cream 2 tsp of vanilla 1 tbs of splenda 1 tbs of brown sugar (sugar twin) Melt chocolate and butter – remove from heat Mix in all the other ingredients – mix well. I pour it on a tupperware lid lined with tinfoil and put it in the freezer until its hard – then If I don’t eat it all keep it for nibbling in the fridge. Hope this Helps MsDee

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I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess. Thanks folks, -Chad

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I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess.

You might look into glycerine/glycerol. It’s not quite in the same category as maltitol, in spite of both ending with -ol. It’s used in candies and cookies to keep them moist. It does have carbs and calories but is very slow to absorb for most people I like it a lot and would like to know if you come up with good recipies. Glycemic Load  (ie, effect on BG level soon after eating) 18   for Honey (Canada){GR} 11   for Maltose[GR] 10   for Glucose/Dextrose/normal sugar{GR}   7   for 99% Malitol product[GR}   5   for Lactose{GR]   2   for Fructose[GR]   1   for Xylitol[GR]   0  for Glycerol/Gylcerine[M]   0  for Polydextrose[M] Sources:    [GR]  GI /GL tables in THE NEW GLUCOSE REVOLUTION, p. 319    [M]  http://www.mendosa.com/netcarbs.htm

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I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic.

A guy once saw me buy 6 bars of dark chocolate and he said "Hey, what are you? A woman???". Btw in World Market CostPlus they have Valrhona 85% bars, 2 for $6. Awesome price.

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These all sound great!  Do any of them work for carrying around unrefrigerated, for snacks in the car? Like regular ‘chocolate chips’ or ‘carob chips’ etc? Need something in small pieces to eat while driving that don’t get sticky or crumbly and are not ‘dusted’ with powder etc. When at home, I just make a sort of ‘fudge’ with butter, cream cheese, cream, maybe sour cream, and unsweetened chocolate powder and low Glycemic Index sweetener.  I just very lazily mix it together to taste in a refrigerator dish and keep it refrigerated, don’t cook it or anything.  Will try adding lecithin (most of the products I like have this). For sweetener I like glycerine (has calories and low carbs but very low GI/GL) and it’s cheap, just found some Xylitol in a Whole Foods store but haven’t tried it yet. Skinny — pre-diab hypo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess. Thanks folks, -Chad Original Lynn’s LC Chocolate Recipe 4 squares of unsweetened baking chocolate 1 pint of cream 6 – 10 packets of Splenda 1 stick of butter 1/2 C of nuts (almonds or pecans or walnuts) more if you prefer 2 teaspoons of vanilla extract Using a double boiler, I melt the chocolate and butter together. Once they are melted, I add the vanilla, sweetener, and slowly stir in the cream. (Once melted I turn off the heat). When the cream is well blended and the mixture is sweet enough for my palate, I add the nuts. Finally, I pour the chocolate on a foil-lined cookie sheet and spread it out to the thickness of a candy bar, then freeze it. When frozen, I break or cut it into pieces that approximate the size of a candy bar, put it in a ziplock bag and store in the freezer. When I need a fix, I grab a piece and indulge. Lynn’s Choclate 1 oz unsweetened chocolate 2 tbsp butter 1 tbsp cream 1 tsp vanilla extract 8 packets equal 1 oz crushed nuts (macadamias are nice) Melt chocolate and butter, carefully. Remove from heat, stir in cream and vanilla, Stir in equal, fold in nuts. Pour into tin-foil-lined something or other. Chill Ver 1 I’ve been making Lynne’s chocolate with Splenda for a while.  I came up with this variation since I was looking for a smoother texture.  It is basically the same except I use sour cream instead of whipping cream. 2 OZ unsweetened chocolate (I use Baker’s brand) 2 tbsp sour cream (no point in using low fat stuff) 1 tbsp vanilla extract 3 tbsp (about) of Splenda (sugar equivalent kind) 1 pat of butter Melt the butter and chocolate over low heat in a small saucepan.  While that is going on, mix the sour cream, vanilla, and Splenda in a measuring cup.  The total mixture should be about 1/2 cup, and a smooth confection all by itself.   This is a very forgiving recipe and you can vary the proportion of sour cream to sweetener, but I recommend keeping the total to 1/2 cup. When the chocolate is melted mix it the cream/ sweetener in until the blend is smooth.  Then press it into whatever (foil lined) and stick it in the refrigerator to harden. Ver 2 I posted it under heading of Ross Chocolates I started out using well knowns Lynn’s Chocolate recipe I change delete or add things…lots of times I just use 2 sq bakers unsweetened chcolate melt in a pan  along with 8 oz cream cheese, liquid splenda as sweet as I want teaspoon of vanilla a bit of butter.  I press this mixture out on a greased peice of tin foil and keep in freezer, break off peices as needed.  I put blanched almonds on top before I freeze.  tastes better then any LC store bought chocolate IMO. Ver 3 This is how I do it and it always comes out fine. 1/4 c butter melting in a saucepan, add 2 squares of Bakers unsweetened chocolate, continue to melt completely.  When all melted take of heat and add 2 T. of cream and stir.  Add 1/2 t vanilla and stir.  Add 2/3 c splenda (8 packs equal)and stir and return to heat while stirring until smooth.  Add 1/2 c chopped almonds and 1/2 unsweetened coconut. Stir and put into candy baking cups. Refrigerate and enjoy. Ver 4 I use the following 4 tbs of butter 2 squares of bakers unsweetened chocolate 2 tbs of whipping cream 2 tsp of vanilla 1 tbs of splenda 1 tbs of brown sugar (sugar twin) Melt chocolate and butter – remove from heat Mix in all the other ingredients – mix well. I pour it on a tupperware lid lined with tinfoil and put it in the freezer until its hard – then If I don’t eat it all keep it for nibbling in the fridge. Hope this Helps MsDee

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I agree.  If you can be diligent in your efforts to control your carbs in the first while, you will get over it. My carb weaknesses were pasta and chocolate.  During week 1 of Intervention (Protein Power Lifeplan), I frantically searched the web for low-carb versions of both.  I ordered a couple hundred $ worth of low-carb pastas and bought Ross chocolates. But something amazing happened toward the end of week 2.  I no longer CRAVED pastas or chocolate.  I can walk past Bernard Callebaut’s (the BEST chocolates in North America) without batting an eyelash and the smells coming from my favourite Italian restaurants don’t affect me in the slightest. Now I have ~30 boxes of low-carb pastas collecting dust in my basement. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You also just posted a thread titled "Well I did it again, I failed on my first day". Okay, now you know why you have failed each attempt.  You haven’t made it past day one and you are already focusing on foods not allowed during Induction. Dude, get past it.  You’ll never make it through Induction doing this. Focus on actually following the directions not tricks to get aorund them.  Yeah it’s hard to follow the directions, but many folks on ASDLC *did* survive Induction. The simple fact is many folks DO get over their chocolate addiction during Induction and it has less grip on everyone by the end.  Feed an addiction make it stronger.  Starve an addiction make it weaker. Homemade low carb recipes using baking chocolate are fine for later. You are not currently in the "later" phase.  GET there first, then come right on back and ask again.

—– Bev

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Me, I prefer dark chocolate, which is neither here nor there.  I suggest, if you’re serious about starting a line of chocolates, and you pland to use splenda, that you stay away from the powdered version.  There is something in splenda powder that (to my taste) makes chocolate just nasty.  It’s not bad in the syrups, Tortorelli, or DaVinci, so, it’s got to be the binder they use.  I can taste it, and it tastes terrible in chocolate.

Anyone got any recipes using the syrups?   I tried to make Lynne’s chocolate using Raspberry DaVinci syrup, but apparently overdid the amount as I never got it to solidify.  I’m kind of heistant to try again as the syrup is expensive. I wish the DaVinci stuff came in a more concentrated manner for this type of thing. Getting this worked out would be great… there’s so many DaVinci flavors.

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I love chocolate. I am a chocoholic. It’s frequently the reason I can’t stick to a low-carb diet. I’ve tried sugar free chocolcates, primarily sweetened with maltitol, but I can’t tolerate the laxative effect. It’s just too annoying and uncomfortable. So how about if I made my own? Are there any recipes out there? I think I’ll use Splenda as a sweetener. What function does the maltitol/sugar serve (that Splenda couldn’t duplicate?), and can I use something else in its place, like . . . just a lot of cocoa butter or somesuch? Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I can’t find any cheap, non-maltitol milk chocolate so I just gotta make my own I guess.

Me, I prefer dark chocolate, which is neither here nor there.  I suggest, if you’re serious about starting a line of chocolates, and you pland to use splenda, that you stay away from the powdered version.  There is something in splenda powder that (to my taste) makes chocolate just nasty.  It’s not bad in the syrups, Tortorelli, or DaVinci, so, it’s got to be the binder they use.  I can taste it, and it tastes terrible in chocolate. Karen Rodgers Windbourne, folk singers of the future http://www.windbourne.com/ remove "_rice_" from my email address

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Original Lynn’s LC Chocolate Recipe 4 squares of unsweetened baking chocolate 1 pint of cream 6 – 10 packets of Splenda 1 stick of butter 1/2 C of nuts (almonds or pecans or walnuts) more if you prefer 2 teaspoons of vanilla extract Using a double boiler, I melt the chocolate and butter together. Once they are melted, I add the vanilla, sweetener, and slowly stir in the cream. (Once melted I turn off the heat). When the cream is well blended and the mixture is sweet enough for my palate, I add the nuts. Finally, I pour the chocolate on a foil-lined cookie sheet and spread it out to the thickness of a candy bar, then freeze it. When frozen, I break or cut it into pieces that approximate the size of a candy bar, put it in a ziplock bag and store in the freezer. When I need a fix, I grab a piece and indulge. Lynn’s Choclate 1 oz unsweetened chocolate 2 tbsp butter 1 tbsp cream 1 tsp vanilla extract 8 packets equal 1 oz crushed nuts (macadamias are nice) Melt chocolate and butter, carefully. Remove from heat, stir in cream and vanilla, Stir in equal, fold in nuts. Pour into tin-foil-lined something or other. Chill Version 1: I’ve been making Lynne’s chocolate with Splenda for a while.  I came up with this variation since I was looking for a smoother texture.  It is basically the same except I use sour cream instead of whipping cream. 2 OZ unsweetened chocolate (I use Baker’s brand) 2 tbsp sour cream (no point in using low fat stuff) 1 tbsp vanilla extract 3 tbsp (about) of Splenda (sugar equivalent kind) 1 pat of butter Melt the butter and chocolate over low heat in a small saucepan.  While that is going on, mix the sour cream, vanilla, and Splenda in a measuring cup.  The total mixture should be about 1/2 cup, and a smooth confection all by itself.   This is a very forgiving recipe and you can vary the proportion of sour cream to sweetener, but I recommend keeping the total to 1/2 cup. When the chocolate is melted mix it the cream/ sweetener in until the blend is smooth.  Then press it into whatever (foil lined) and stick it in the refrigerator to harden. Version 2: I posted it under heading of Ross Chocolates I started out using well knowns Lynn’s Chocolate recipe I change delete or add things…lots of times I just use 2 sq bakers unsweetened chcolate melt in a pan  along with 8 oz cream cheese, liquid splenda as sweet as I want teaspoon of vanilla a bit of butter.  I press this mixture out on a greased peice of tin foil and keep in freezer, break off peices as needed.  I put blanched almonds on top before I freeze.  tastes better then any LC store bought chocolate IMO. Version 3: This is how I do it and it always comes out fine. 1/4 c butter melting in a saucepan, add 2 squares of Bakers unsweetened chocolate, continue to melt completely.  When all melted take of heat and add 2 T. of cream and stir.  Add 1/2 t vanilla and stir.  Add 2/3 c splenda (8 packs equal)and stir and return to heat while stirring until smooth.  Add 1/2 c chopped almonds and 1/2 unsweetened coconut. Stir and put into candy baking cups. Refrigerate and enjoy. Version 4: I use the following 4 tbs of butter 2 squares of bakers unsweetened chocolate 2 tbs of whipping cream 2 tsp of vanilla 1 tbs of splenda 1 tbs of brown sugar (sugar twin) Melt chocolate and butter – remove from heat Mix in all the other ingredients – mix well. I pour it on a tupperware lid lined with tinfoil and put it in the freezer until its hard – then If I don’t eat it all keep it for nibbling in the fridge. Hope this Helps MsDee

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        Anxiety itself makes me want to eat.  So do whatever you do to cope with anxiety before eating.  I’m currently trying this.           I lost 40 pounds with my operation and I want to lose some more.  I recognize that overeating is another poor way of coping with anxiety. Dennis — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 :plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of :almost 3 packs a day). Good for you for giving up these bad habits! I quit smoking in 92 and I don`t regret it at all :However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on :Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better :medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from :eating way too many sweets). : :I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for :sweets seems impossible to overcome. : :Ideas appreciated. Don`t keep any sweets in your house. But do make sure you have some healthy alternatives in it`s place. I find the following to be really satisfying when I am craving something sweet. Sugar-free jello with 2 tablespoons of whipped cream, sugar-free, fat-free pudding…..I make it with 1/2 skim milk and 1/2 "half and half" to lower the carb count. Topped with some whipped cream…….and it is out of this world. Natural peanutbutter that has no sugar added, I use it on celery or whole wheat crackers. Sugar-free hot cocoa, sugar-free instant Suisse Mocha coffee from International House. Today I found sugar-free, calorie-free, fat-free chocolate syrup. It is not like chocolate covered cherries I also found a sugar-free New York egg cream chocolate soda……it is one of the best sodas I have ever had. Reduced fat cheese, I especially like cheddar, pickles, green olives, nuts, and one of my favorite snacks is reduced fat popcorn, the mini, one serving size bags. When you are really battling those cravings…….get out of the house and take a long walk, it really helps Take care and good luck! Jackie ~*~Tears spill out, only because I feel so much, it can’t all fit inside~*~ — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I had really good luck a few years ago with a chocolate addiction by picturing chocolate crawling with maggots.   However, if you’re one of those people who would eat live crickets, this wouldn’t do you any good at all. Dot — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I had really good luck a few years ago with a chocolate addiction by picturing chocolate crawling with maggots. However, if you’re one of those people who would eat live crickets, this wouldn’t do you any good at all.

It also wouldn’t do you any good if you liked eating maggots! Chip   :^) — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of almost 3 packs a day). However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from eating way too many sweets). I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for sweets seems impossible to overcome. Ideas appreciated.

Dan, Having quit alcohol myself 10 years ago, I think that sweets tend to replace the alcohol as an "addiction" if you want to call it that.  I probably don’t have to tell you there is a similar chemical reaction that sugar and alcohol produce. I haven’t quit sweets myself, but I do moderate my eating of them.  I drink diet drinks and eat very little sugar during the day.  It is at night that I allow myself a cookie or two.  If I spread out the time I eat them, I’ll only eat one.  For instance, if I eat a cookie at 9 and say I’ll have the second one at 9:30, the craving will most definately be gone.  However, I don’t enjoy it as much. Most people say I’m underweight – and I have a low risk of diabetes, so I allow myself my daily choco fix. Don’t know if this helps any but my main advice would be to save up your sweets for later.  And pace yourself… Phil — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of almost 3 packs a day). However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from eating way too many sweets). I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for sweets seems impossible to overcome. Ideas appreciated. Looking at the replies I have got a bit confuddled If you are in the US English zone the replies make sense.  I had read sweets as candy rather than pudding.  I almost never consume candy. The same cannot be said for cigarettes Anyway I have never tried to loose weight, I am always trying to gain weight! Sorry that this is not actually helpful. Simon

I might be wrong but sweets to me mean anything that gives me the "fix" I don’t like to eat candy myself, but it will do in a pinch.  I’d much rather a scoop of ice cream, a small piece of pie, or two cookies Phil — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Eat more salads and keep fruit and salad foods around for snacks. Fresh broccoli or carrots dipped in salad dressing is a good snack. Apples are good for snacks also. Don’t binge at one sitting.  Eat small meals throughout the day and get into a routine of exercising every day, whether it is calisthenics, walking, jogging, exercise machines, or free-weights. When you are stressed out and feel like binging on carbs, lie down and do some relaxation exercises. Change your lifestyle one day and habit at a time. Tony

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of almost 3 packs a day). However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from eating way too many sweets). I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for sweets seems impossible to overcome. Ideas appreciated. — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of almost 3 packs a day). However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from eating way too many sweets). I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for sweets seems impossible to overcome. Ideas appreciated.

Dan, I stopped eating sweets when I took up jogging. Don’t know why. Just not interested in eating them anymore. I guess I do know. I try to eat lots of fruits and vegetables and starches (rice, potatoes, pasta), and avoid fats (except for cheese and salad dressing). Chip — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I want to second Anne’s idea.  It’s a vicous circle: sweets create cravings for more sweets.  Basically, you need to get rid of all the simple carbs (bread, white rice, etc, etc) and eat more protien (w/ reasonable fat). I also found that Chromium Picolate (tablets found in with other common supplements) helps even off the blood sugar. You may not be up for this one, but Soy Protien powder works great as well.  (I lift weights and add this to my diet.)  I don’t know why, but I feel such much better with this in my diet. Erik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dan, the only thing that works for me is to drop refined sweets and flours/starches from my diet. Sort of like the Atkins diet, but without a lot of fatty stuff. After a week of that, I stop craving the carbohydrates. I have fruit as a treat. Or sugar-free Jello. Sounds bleak, I know! But it does work. You might give it a try for two weeks and see what you think. Just cut out everything with sugar from your meals, and also everything "white" like refined flour, potatoes, rice, pasta. Expect to feel awful for the first 5-7 days (it’s like quitting cigarettes; I did that too, in ‘84, so I know how bad that is). Then you will feel much better. Many antidepressants cause cravings for sweets and starches, alas. I put on 30 lbs in one year when I took Paxil. Weight gain was a big reason I eventually went off SSRI’s. Good luck! – Anne — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of almost 3 packs a day). However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from eating way too many sweets). I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for sweets seems impossible to overcome. Ideas appreciated. — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of almost 3 packs a day). However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from eating way too many sweets). I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for sweets seems impossible to overcome. Ideas appreciated.

I can’t help, but if you find a way, please let me know. Tono — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Dan, the only thing that works for me is to drop refined sweets and flours/starches from my diet. Sort of like the Atkins diet, but without a lot of fatty stuff. After a week of that, I stop craving the carbohydrates. I have fruit as a treat. Or sugar-free Jello. Sounds bleak, I know! But it does work. You might give it a try for two weeks and see what you think. Just cut out everything with sugar from your meals, and also everything "white" like refined flour, potatoes, rice, pasta. Expect to feel awful for the first 5-7 days (it’s like quitting cigarettes; I did that too, in ‘84, so I know how bad that is). Then you will feel much better. Many antidepressants cause cravings for sweets and starches, alas. I put on 30 lbs in one year when I took Paxil. Weight gain was a big reason I eventually went off SSRI’s. Good luck! – Anne — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I wish I had some ideas for you, Dan, but I don’t.  Just wanted to say congrats on giving up alcohol and cigs.  I still smoke after 35 years, but only between 13 and 16 a day.  I guess that’s still alot, but I used to smoke 30 a day.  Hope you overcome your cravings for sweets. Hugs, Di

I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of almost 3 packs a day). However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from eating way too many sweets). I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for sweets seems impossible to overcome. Ideas appreciated.

– The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I have overcome 2 cravings in my life. The one for alcohol (dry for 7 plus years) and cigarettes (quit 20 months ago a 30 plus year habit of almost 3 packs a day). However, I CAN NOT seem to overcome my cravings for sweets. I’m on Imapramine, which from my limited reading is one of the better medicines for causing weight gain. (In my case, I’m sure it’s from eating way too many sweets). I’m glad it’s not the booze or cigs which I crave, but this one for sweets seems impossible to overcome. Ideas appreciated.

all ad meds cause carb craving, some changes in fat metabolism. There are tons of speculative theories as to why. The bottom line is one way to stave them off is to go on a hypoglycemic or diabetes type diet. No refined carbs or sugar-plenty of complex carbs whole grain fruits etc. Small frequent meals rich in protein, complex carbs and some fat. If you can keep your blood sugar level somewhat stable without massive insulin production many of the cravings for high caloric foods like sweets, will diminish. Expect a 15% weight gain on any of these meds at the least.  One can have plenty of cravings, the meds can put on poundage, but the only way you can gain weight is to eat lots of stuff your body cannot burn as energy, so it stores it as fat. Eat Less, smaller portions more frequently with lower caloric value and most of all-excercise LM — The charter is available at:  http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I am now feeling a rush seemingly similar to a sugar rush, shit I am now feeling like I just wiped out the two days of induction. I think Ill stay away from the endulge bars and get my chocolate fix from the hot cocoa with splenda alone.

Some of the diabetic participants who check their blood sugar levels found that sugar alcohols spiked their blood sugar, and others found that it didn’t spike theirs, so this is a personal issue. There is evidence that under different conditions in the body, glycerin (glycerol) may be metabolized to fatty acids *or* to glucose. see http://www.lowcarb.org/glycerol.html   It’s very possible that this applies to the other sugar alcohols used in Atkins bars and other sugarfree candy. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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This is a definite YMMV question…  I stayed away from them for the first 2 weeks but I’ve added them in successfully and STILL lost. Being female, and I don’t care that it is cliche, but I still need my chocolate fix for my monthly visitor. Also, try Atkins Advantage Bars instead – they are not as good as the Endulge, (but the Chocolate Coconut one is excellent in my opinion) and Atkins approves those on Induction as long as they are in moderation. Good luck! Beth V 216/191/145 LC faithful since 1/17/03

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This is a definite YMMV question…  I stayed away from them for the first 2 weeks but I’ve added them in successfully and STILL lost. Being female, and I don’t care that it is cliche, but I still need my chocolate fix for my monthly visitor. Also, try Atkins Advantage Bars instead – they are not as good as the Endulge, (but the Chocolate Coconut one is excellent in my opinion) and Atkins approves those on Induction as long as they are in moderation. Good luck! Beth V 216/191/145 LC faithful since 1/17/03

I have 1-2 Endulge chocolate bars in my fridge all the time. Each one lasts about a week to 10 days. I eat just a square every few days. satisfies me. my 2 yr old like them too. He thinks that is what chocolate is. lol. staying home with mom is going to teach him lc habits even though he eats lots of fruit and the occasional poptart he mainly likes cheese and meats and veggies and fruits. he used to go to PGM and he was a chunky little shit. now that he is home with me he is 35 lbs and very tall. he is proportional now and not a big-gutted chubchub. Since my Dh’s family has a history of obesity (M, Sisters) and DH before he started physical work (flooring installer instead of Respiratory Therapist) I want to watch this son closely. Number 1 son (first husband died in 1992) can eat anything he wants and still be a lean,mean, muscle-machine.Ah genetics, too bad the genetics train passed me by. At least I finally found the "secret" Lori

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LOL the genetics train passed me by too…sister is 2 inches taller than me and has never weighed over 130 pounds…*sigh* Congrats to you on your willpower.  I’ve had to stop keeping the Endulge bars in my desk at work because I tend to eat them too quickly when I do that.  (Now I keep a steady supply of smoked flavored almonds and hot n’ spicy pork rinds – yum.) Also, good for you for teaching your son good eating habits and improving his looks – he’ll be thanking you for it! Beth V 216/191/145 LC faithful since 1/17/03

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…he was a chunky little shit. …a big-gutted chubchub.

I know you use these names with the greatest of affection, but I urge you to reconsider using such negative terms on a child.  Even when spoken with love, even with such a young child, words like these can hurt and may stick in his memory and affect his body image for a lifetime. I am hoping that you don’t actually say things like this directly to your son, but he can still probably feel the sentiment from you.  Excess weight is not healthy for a child, and it is good that he has slimmed down, but even I, as a total stranger, sense you held some small level of contempt or disgust for your son’s appearance when he was heavier.  I certainly could be wrong (and I hope I am), but if your words give *me* that impression, consider how *he* might interpret them. Reb

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …he was a chunky little shit. …a big-gutted chubchub. I know you use these names with the greatest of affection, but I urge you to reconsider using such negative terms on a child.  Even when spoken with love, even with such a young child, words like these can hurt and may stick in his memory and affect his body image for a lifetime. I am hoping that you don’t actually say things like this directly to your son, but he can still probably feel the sentiment from you.  Excess weight is not healthy for a child, and it is good that he has slimmed down, but even I, as a total stranger, sense you held some small level of contempt or disgust for your son’s appearance when he was heavier.  I certainly could be wrong (and I hope I am), but if your words give *me* that impression, consider how *he* might interpret them. Reb No contempt! No disgust! unless he takes his pullup off and pees on my

floor. then I swat him with a rolled newspaper. (jk) Either I posted too  cavalierly or was notPC but I don’t feel that way at all. we have a terrible nonpolitically-correct household here. We could offend many people when we a joking around. we also stress that we don’t talk that way out in public. for example. Fmr Gov Jesse Ventura had an aide named Bosacker who was busted for soliciting in the steam room at his athletic club.KQRS used to do bits where they would have interactions between Jesse and Bosacker that were pretty funny.  we call my BIL who is such a dumbshit Bosacker and my N1S calls him Uncle Bosacker! back to topic.. I  love my son! I don’t think he is fat. and he’s got the cutest little tush., I call him lots of nicknames just like I did to my N1S. plus he is 2 1/2. it’s a lot about tone with him,. kinda like a puppy. Sorry if that post was taken differently than I meant it. I am glad that he is not eating suckers and candy all day and drinking juice and pop because that is how he ate and he doesn’t eat that way when he is home with me and it has made a difference in his growth. He has gotten a lot taller too. ( Sorry to my MIL if she is reading this post). Lori

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Hello group, I just read the rules of induction on the Atkins web site and it said that sugar alcohol will not affect blood sugar levels. I am only two days into induction and was going nuts in regard to my chocolate addiction. I bought an endulge bar and ate it whole, I was really surprised at how good they are and am wondering if one a day will affect induction? I was told by the rep at GNC that a bar or shake a day is ok but for some reason to stay away from the endulge bars. Those peanut butter cups looked pretty good too. I am assuming this is break sugar addiction but if I cannot have chocolate I don’t want to live. H.Robinson

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I am now feeling a rush seemingly similar to a sugar rush, shit I am now feeling like I just wiped out the two days of induction. I think Ill stay away from the endulge bars and get my chocolate fix from the hot cocoa with splenda alone.

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Do a google groups search on "sugar alcohols" you’ll fin dmore than you probably want to know on the subject. — Jenny 168.5/148/145 Second Goal 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein How much people really lose each month Water Weight Gain & Loss The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings Characteristics of Successful Dieters

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello group, I just read the rules of induction on the Atkins web site and it said that sugar alcohol will not affect blood sugar levels. I am only two days into induction and was going nuts in regard to my chocolate addiction. I bought an endulge bar and ate it whole, I was really surprised at how good they are and am wondering if one a day will affect induction? I was told by the rep at GNC that a bar or shake a day is ok but for some reason to stay away from the endulge bars. Those peanut butter cups looked pretty good too. I am assuming this is break sugar addiction but if I cannot have chocolate I don’t want to live. H.Robinson

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The unfortunate conundrum with cancer and these enzyme/raw food therapies (I am almost convinced that they work), is that you cannot go and get nuked with radiation/chemo and then expect the enzyme therapy to salavage the situation. It seems that it may be close to an either/or situation. Either you go the nuke route or you preserve your immune system and go the enzyme route. Tough choice. BTW : Your posts on NAC got me going in that direction. I have been on NAC and Alpha Lipoic Acid for 3 weeks now and they seem to be working fantastic. Many reasons why they may also help psoriasis, not least being that ALA is a powerful insulin senstizer and aid in glucose metabolism. Plus it kicks the krebs cycle(not sure if that is downregulated in psoriasis), supplies sulphur(perhaps has a role in containing LPS), by supplying available cysteine NAC directly increases the master antioxidant glutathione(reduces lipid peroxidation and the cardiac damage associated with Syndrome X), which in turn reduces serum IgE and histamine (less of a problem for psoriatics), ALA reduces glycation damage, related nerve damage(neuropathy). NAC and ALA are themselves potent antioxidants called thiols, and ALA has the distinction of being both water and fat soluble. ALA also regenerates vits C and E. I take 1500mg NAC and 200mg ALA per day.

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It is a possible dilemma facing a cancer patient. If you believe that enzyme/raw food therapy may help, do you first want to destroy your immune system with radiation/chemo or do you want to save your system for enzyme therapy ? Many believe that you cannot do the nuke and then the enzymes effectively. BTW : After reading your NAC stuff, I am on my 3rd week taking that and Alpha Lipoic Acid and the results so far are fantastic. Here are some reason IMO : Boost master antioxidant glutathione, improves glucose disposal/insulin sensitivity, reduces glycation damage, repairs/prevents nerve damage, lowers serum histamine and IgE, aids liver function, detoxes metal poison, ALA is water and fat soluble, ALA regenerates vits C and E, NAC and ALA are thiols that donate sulphur a natural antibiotic (LPS control?), kicks the krebs cycle and more things come to light by the day. wrt psoriasis(and seb derm) and oxidation damage : http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:qlfO-IoCdm4C:www.thione.com/corp…

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It is a possible dilemma facing a cancer patient. If you believe that enzyme/raw food therapy may help, do you first want to destroy your immune system with radiation/chemo or do you want to save your system for enzyme therapy ? Many believe that you cannot do the nuke and then the enzymes effectively.

The most likely scenario is they first get real meds and then splash up on the shores of alt stuff after many years of failed/failing treatments. Some are finding the combo hospitals. Real plus alt goodies. And very few go the alt route first. As that path is hard to find and harder to recognize from all the $cams. BTW : After reading your NAC stuff, I am on my 3rd week taking that and Alpha Lipoic Acid and the results so far are fantastic. Here are some reason IMO :

Yes. I love NAC. I’m so clear now that i may have to cheat eat to justify taking some. Kidding! Its just that i’m using some food antioxidants now (fresh berries from chile), and having come off two months of iP6, i’m awaiting reactions (rebounds) to time the residual effects of the iP6. I am sorta baffled that i’m not flaring faster/sooner. My green tea and ginger and all the rest of the antioxidants lowerers must be clearing me. Or several years of flax seed oil has tipPed the ratio of omega 3’s to 6’s in the cell membranes finally? My chocolate addiction is in check also for some unknown reasons. Same goes for ice cream cravings. These are all welcome but i’d love a good explanation. And there are several more food/herbs i want to try. Gosh, what if i go into permanent remission? Boost master antioxidant glutathione, improves glucose disposal/insulin sensitivity, reduces glycation damage, repairs/prevents nerve damage, lowers serum histamine and IgE, aids liver function, detoxes metal poison, ALA is water and fat soluble, ALA regenerates vits C and E, NAC and ALA are thiols that donate sulphur a natural antibiotic (LPS control?), kicks the krebs cycle and more things come to light by the day.

For us (seb and P) the LPS control in the kupffer cells is paramount. Of course all the rest of that landry list can’t hurt. After much thinking i’ve come up with a way to determine the amount and effect of the lPS in the system. I’ll be testing it for a long while to determine the validity. This LPS remains the hardest area to comprehend for the average person as well as the most seasoned practioner. If you wish to turbo the combo your on now. Do some ALC. Google (Bruce Ames ALCAR ) or ALC ALA on the groups and web for some info. I may still have that article that i posted at the start of the P & life extension thread. (i’m sure you’d rather forget that one. or maybe we can start it over with different results this time?) Caveats- Taking ALA/ALC, you may feel so rejuvenated that your mature judgements may become imPaired. wrt psoriasis(and seb derm) and oxidation damage : http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:qlfO-IoCdm4C:www.thione.com/corp…

Not a bad link. I can take all the selenium and zinc and the rest of the ingredients in the SOD/GPO recipes and not get one tenth the bang for my buck that NAC produces. The question remains, why are these enzymes so low in the first place? I can only blame it all on LPS. Till someone somewhere has a better explanation i’ll stick with my proflora whey to compensate for the nasty effects produced by the bad bugs. Using it with out first getting an implant of good flora may help some small percentage of mild p afflictees but by all means doing the procedures necessary to re-acidify the colon are a must for those that are more severe. randall

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Dear Dave, Don’t make him lose his temper. He may go ballistic. At any rate i served him up the perfect example of a man with P and cancer who cured both and he hasn’t gotten the import of my message.

Ah, thats it! Raw fat from a meatarian diet did it. And he had incurable cancer. Most of the folks that use his method are stage 3 and 4 and have exhausted their alternatives. The man (aajonus) only ate raw meat. You’d think he (evetsm) would be gloating left and right that his syndrome X was proven beyond all question. Even when you throw the dog a bone he makes a meathead outa himself. Or possibly he’s a closet sugar addict and loves the rant. randall Stop throwing bones. Was that a gift or a weapon ?

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, unless its Man of War! What was your point , by the way ?

That this link was and is the perfect proof for your paleo low carb notions for P and syndrome X. Enzymes, raw meat vs cooked meat, meat per se, the carrot juice (glycemic),

AAjonus used raw juices to go into remission for a few years before his cancer came back. Then he attempted to kill himself via the raw meat as he was a vegetarian and believed that the raw meat would actually poison him. He was very cancerous and lethargic at this point in his life and had already fought the cancer for many years. the vegetable juice, the fruit(hardly glycemic control),  not using supplements, glucose control, cave man diet , raw milk (hardly caveman, hardly glycemic) , deadly mushrooms without dying (?!), heat destroying enzymes, cancer patients taking pancreatin,cold pressed oils (hardly paleolithic and very oxidative), cooking is bad for you, or just some guy who went into lucky remission ?

Don’t forget the hundreds of folks that also have gone into remission from incurable cancers. And those that i’ve also helped with it. I just have them buy the book and coach them as long as their willing. Its been quite suprising as it seems so counterintuitive. Man , that guy cured 7 "incurable" diseases. He sounded like he was some multi-level marketing zealot. Bless him. He may be the real deal. I am all for paleolithic cures, I really believe in them,  but this one even makes me scratch my head.

Nope no mLM for this guy. He’s still very introverted due to his lifelong ADD. I think you and Davew better mangle this one together.

I would think that davew is to skeptical for this one. You want to join him in rebuking me? I’ll toss that bone back over to you. Thanks.

If its raw meat, chances are that it’ll never get past my grill. I have no problems with the raw butter to buffer my digestive enzymes and some occasional steak tartar. As to the rest of it my P really doesn’t look that bad. NOt when i can get such great results from     www.thewholewhey.com   and stay in the single digits percentage wise of total body coverage. There are those thing that i’m just not gonna get very far with and the raw meat diet and drinking your own urine are two of them. (Robbin Williams does it?) If i was in any stage of cancer i may change my mind after vigorous mainstream medicine of course. And how would one do a mlm for raw fat/protein? I grow some grass grazed goats, milk/churn the butter and send it to you? If it worked that well i’d hoard it all. BTW, the raw dairy products didn’t exactly clear my P. The proflora whey powder is the one dairy product that rocks my p world. In a good whey of course! randall

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Dave, Don’t make him lose his temper. He may go ballistic. At any rate i served him up the perfect example of a man with P and cancer who cured both and he hasn’t gotten the import of my message. The man (aajonus) only ate raw meat. You’d think he (evetsm) would be gloating left and right that his syndrome X was proven beyond all question. Even when you throw the dog a bone he makes a meathead outa himself. Or possibly he’s a closet sugar addict and loves the rant. randall

Stop throwing bones. Was that a gift or a weapon ?   What was your point , by the way ?  Enzymes, raw meat vs cooked meat, meat per se, the carrot juice (glycemic), the vegetable juice, the fruit(hardly glycemic control),  not using supplements, glucose control, cave man diet , raw milk (hardly caveman, hardly glycemic) , deadly mushrooms without dying (?!), heat destroying enzymes, cancer patients taking pancreatin,cold pressed oils (hardly paleolithic and very oxidative), cooking is bad for you, or just some guy who went into lucky remission ? Man , that guy cured 7 "incurable" diseases. He sounded like he was some multi-level marketing zealot. Bless him. He may be the real deal. I am all for paleolithic cures, I really believe in them,  but this one even makes me scratch my head. I think you and Davew better mangle this one together. I’ll toss that bone back over to you. Thanks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I presume the NIH only lays out millions of pound if there is a good reason to believe that the treatment has some therapeutic substance. That substance, I believe, was garnered by looking through Gonzales’ patient histories. Didn’t answer my question, but let’s start by getting our NIHs straightened out: did you move back to England? In the U.S., lots of money is paid out by the NCCAM (an office of the NIH) to test complementary or alternative methods based on good grant-writing skills, and not on any supposition that the method must have medical merit.  Their mandate is to supply evidence for or against the CAM ideas they decide to test.  $200 million later, and the only conclusions they’ve reached is that they need more funding.  Go figure. – Dave W. http://psorsite.com/

Dear Dave, Don’t make him lose his temper. He may go ballistic. At any rate i served him up the perfect example of a man with P and cancer who cured both and he hasn’t gotten the import of my message. The man (aajonus) only ate raw meat. You’d think he (evetsm) would be gloating left and right that his syndrome X was proven beyond all question. Even when you throw the dog a bone he makes a meathead outa himself. Or possibly he’s a closet sugar addict and loves the rant. randall

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If something worked in 1902, then it will work in 2003, laser beams or not. This pancreatic enzyme therapy first proposed by Beard in 1902 is working well enough in 2003 for the NIH to fund some studies. The human body and its chemistry goes back way beyond 1902. At least 1million years beyond. I would prefer therapies that are part of that ancient chemistry. Pancreatic enzymes certainly are.

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If something worked in 1902, then it will work in 2003, laser beams or not. This pancreatic enzyme therapy first proposed by Beard in 1902 is working well enough in 2003 for the NIH to fund some studies. The human body and its chemistry goes back way beyond 1902. At least 1million years beyond. I would prefer therapies that are part of that ancient chemistry. Pancreatic enzymes certainly are.

Is the NIH funding this directly, or the NCCAM, whose funding hasn’t proven or disproven anything since its inception? – Dave W. http://psorsite.com/

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If something worked in 1902, then it will work in 2003, laser beams or not. This pancreatic enzyme therapy first proposed by Beard in 1902 is working well enough in 2003 for the NIH to fund some studies. The human body and its chemistry goes back way beyond 1902. At least 1million years beyond. I would prefer therapies that are part of that ancient chemistry. Pancreatic enzymes certainly are. Is the NIH funding this directly, or the NCCAM, whose funding hasn’t proven or disproven anything since its inception? – Dave W. http://psorsite.com/

I presume the NIH only lays out millions of pound if there is a good reason to believe that the treatment has some therapeutic substance. That substance, I believe, was garnered by looking through Gonzales’ patient histories.

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I presume the NIH only lays out millions of pound if there is a good reason to believe that the treatment has some therapeutic substance. That substance, I believe, was garnered by looking through Gonzales’ patient histories.

Didn’t answer my question, but let’s start by getting our NIHs straightened out: did you move back to England? In the U.S., lots of money is paid out by the NCCAM (an office of the NIH) to test complementary or alternative methods based on good grant-writing skills, and not on any supposition that the method must have medical merit.  Their mandate is to supply evidence for or against the CAM ideas they decide to test.  $200 million later, and the only conclusions they’ve reached is that they need more funding.  Go figure. – Dave W. http://psorsite.com/

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There is an interesting (IMO) new look at cancer being caused by pancreatic enzymes being depleted, it is based on John Beard’s study at the turn of the century (this may at first sound far fetched, but the NIH has now funded studies into this) : This beard dude is like stuck in 1902. Give me a break.

So, everything before , say , 1980 is rubbish or just "stuck" ?! Pasteur, Fleming et al  turn in their graves as Randall throws them out with the bathwater !

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There is an interesting (IMO) new look at cancer being caused by pancreatic enzymes being depleted, it is based on John Beard’s study at the turn of the century (this may at first sound far fetched, but the NIH has now funded studies into this) : This beard dude is like stuck in 1902. Give me a break. So, everything before , say , 1980 is rubbish or just "stuck" ?! Pasteur, Fleming et al  turn in their graves as Randall throws them out with the bathwater !

Hey! I’m not saying the men/women who discovered/made, fire and the wheel don’t deserve some credit for their accomplishments. Rubbing two sticks to-gether and a crude wheel were high tech if you were a neandertal i suppose. Did they die out because of some hippy/luddite view of these things? Can we say that technology has been refined in the interlude from then till now? Those original brilliant minds wouldn’t know what to think about nanotechnology or laser beams. Heck, even if they could communicate, they would be hard pressed to order/have some meatly carcass wheeled over to toss on the camp fire. Driving up to the Jack in the Box would be unthinkable for them, much less ordering a Jumbo Jack. And the math needed for a lunar landing has come a ways in the last hundred years, not to mention the computers to do it and land them. Now that is rocket science. And it would be really hard to not jump to conclusions when considering the impact of DNA to the P equation. And that is mostly since 1980, now isn’t it? First the proteins will need to be understood and then the mutated DNA will be targeted for the big P fix. Watson and Crick would have been hard pressed fifty years ago to say "Yeah no problem, P will be cured by our findings in another 55 years". One of the two is still working away at UCSD and hasn’t cured our little P problem and yet the folks doing the heavy lifting are motoring away in their labs, with bunsen burners ablaze. Whoops, do they still use those? A cure for P in 1902 may have been fine then if your P didn’t show above the clothes you wore. Or you used to much of the amazonian coca cure. Once some real scientist makes a time machine i’ll check it out for you. For now the future seems to hold the most promise. And Pasteur has his critics considering the mess we’re in with antibiotics. Go ahead and google claude bernard and terrain. Its not like the germ theory worked perfectly for everyone all the time. As a matter of fact we know the smallpox vaccine will kill one out every 10 million or so people. But what about the other 999,999,999 that avoid the bug in the future because of it? How do YOU enter medical ethics into this foray? Who knows and maybe the neandertals got smallpox or itchy psoriasis and thats what did them in? Or they ate their jumbo jacks without a bun and held the lettuce and the mayo and only raw meat and got some germ due to not enough HCL in their tummies. Or even stranger, the bugs became commensal but mutated over the millenia and made big holes in the bowel so other e coli could do their dirty little LPS business in us. Or their logic was specious and faulty and they believed that fleas made good bedfellows and would keep you healthly. They may have even had a flea diety till it became aPocalyPtic. Scratch you noggin over that one for awhile. We can call it the itchy and scratchy theory of P for neandertals. Then again maybe your right and real science is headed in the wrong direction with DNA/proteins. Lets get some Pasteur DNA and clone him and his bride so they can find the P germ. We can just roll them over in their graves and find a bit of DNA and get the raelians to work on it. I’m sure that their world view, er universe view, will explain it all. randall… and stop putting words like bathwater into my cyber mouth.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Here is a gentleman who had more serious health problems then his psoriasis. You could say he’s taken the atkins diet back to pre-paleo times. Then again the first hominids to grill their suPPers may have been 2M years ago. All that cooking may be the problem for CHD. Oxidized fats and prionic proteins tossing the DNA a bunch of curve balls. Atkins is now on a roll, but is it safe? There is a thought that digestion is at the root of most(all/some?) disease and one of the keys to good digestion are the pancreatic enzymes.

Most folks can abuse their pancreas for a life time or two. Just as with diabetes and the waning production of insulin, digestive enzymes get used up as we age and depending on what you eat.

The fact of the matter is that Aajonus isn’t using his. By eating raw foods he is using the Lipase in the fats and proteins in the raw meats to helP digest the same. So, can we get you on some raw butter. It’s easiest to deal with. Raw food uses less enzymes to digest, since cooking destroys most enzymes within the food (microwaving probably destroys all ?).

Well duh. The lipase goes bye bye at 112 degrees F in short order. There is an interesting (IMO) new look at cancer being caused by pancreatic enzymes being depleted, it is based on John Beard’s study at the turn of the century (this may at first sound far fetched, but the NIH has now funded studies into this) :

This beard dude is like stuck in 1902. Give me a break. http://www.whale.to/v/duffy2.html http://www.anycancer.com/cancer_is_tech.htm http://www.personalmd.com/news/n0608072141.shtml

Well i would have to give gonsalves a second look if i was a pancreatic C patient and didn’t know crap about what i know. Thank god i’m me and only have P and not C. Huh? Getting back to less mundane things, like Aajonus beat his P on a raw meat and no carb diet not to mention all his real problems like a life time of C. Then again you may want to check in with a real P man who went the distance to figure out the truth on this one. randall… yours truly!

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Hi, Here is a gentleman who had more serious health problems then his psoriasis. You could say he’s taken the atkins diet back to pre-paleo times. Then again the first hominids to grill their suPPers may have been 2M years ago. All that cooking may be the problem for CHD. Oxidized fats and prionic proteins tossing the DNA a bunch of curve balls. Atkins is now on a roll, but is it safe? The tartars rode around with it under their saddles all day. And after a hot busy day killing people had some nice raw yak. Here are a few links to one mans way to beat the rash of psoriasis though he beat the BIG C first. The big P sorta fell by the whey side in his conquest of C. (evetsm may enjoy this one. Is it PC?) And he did it with a grain free diet. Can we say NO lectins or glutins. How are the pyrins doing? http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/bass/aajonus.html http://home.earthlink.net/~welive/index.jpg   http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p40.htm http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/ randall… and now he’s NO longer got P or C

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Hi, Here is a gentleman who had more serious health problems then his psoriasis. You could say he’s taken the atkins diet back to pre-paleo times. Then again the first hominids to grill their suPPers may have been 2M years ago. All that cooking may be the problem for CHD. Oxidized fats and prionic proteins tossing the DNA a bunch of curve balls. Atkins is now on a roll, but is it safe?

There is a thought that digestion is at the root of most(all/some?) disease and one of the keys to good digestion are the pancreatic enzymes. Just as with diabetes and the waning production of insulin, digestive enzymes get used up as we age and depending on what you eat. Raw food uses less enzymes to digest, since cooking destroys most enzymes within the food (microwaving probably destroys all ?). There is an interesting (IMO) new look at cancer being caused by pancreatic enzymes being depleted, it is based on John Beard’s study at the turn of the century (this may at first sound far fetched, but the NIH has now funded studies into this) : http://www.whale.to/v/duffy2.html http://www.anycancer.com/cancer_is_tech.htm http://www.personalmd.com/news/n0608072141.shtml

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Okay, I’m 24, 5′ 5 and 185 pounds. I need to lose weight. I’ve been doing a lot of reading, I’ve looked at the low calorie diets, the low carb diets, the low fat diets and frankly its one huge information overload. Everyone is saying their way is right and the other way is not. I’m confused. Anyway, I’m working out at the gym 6 days a week, half hour to an hour cardio every session and weights 3 days a week. Food is my main problem, I have a chocolate addiction which I am working on but that is not so much a problem as the pure simple fact that I despise green vegetables. I’m not trolling, I’m not being childish I just find that green veggies taste very bitter and unpleasant to me. The only exception oddly is asparagus but one cannot live on asparagus alone. I like mushrooms, and sweetcorn and thats about it – cauliflour is just about edible if covered in a cheese sauce which sort of defeats the object and carrots I’ll happily put in a beef stew cause they pick up the flavour of the stew but otherwise I find them pretty much tasteless. Every diet suggestion I read loves to suggest vegetables (understandably) and salad. Does anyone have any suggestions? I tried the atkins diet but gave up because it was simply driving me nuts eating nothing but meat, I never thought I could crave a simple potato. I have discoverd a liking of V8 so I have now got a way to get the nutrients but it makes a miserable dinner. Any thoughts would be appreciated – trying to make a meal plan is becoming something of a nightmare Thanks in advance Morkai

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Okay, I’m 24, 5′ 5 and 185 pounds. I need to lose weight. I’ve been doing a lot of reading, I’ve looked at the low calorie diets, the low carb diets, the low fat diets and frankly its one huge information overload. Everyone is saying their way is right and the other way is not. I’m confused.

Been there, done that.  There IS alot of different info out there, isn’t there?  For me it finally came down to common sense – balance is the key.  I eat a 40/30/30 ratio of carbs/protein/fat.  That means 40% of my calories come from carbs, etc.  I am doing quite a bit of weight training, so I try to eat at least 130g of protein per day.  This keeps me eating frequently! To tell you the truth, I don’t eat alot of veggies, although I love almost every one of them.  Figure out what you do like, and never eat canned vegetables.  Buy them fresh and steam them.  Maybe you can look at a recipe website like www.allrecipes.com and see if you can find any veggie recipe that appeals to you. BTW, I love cheese sauce on my cauliflower and broccoli, and I have found that if you put frozen veggies in a glass bowl, add a small amount of milk and a slice of velveeta, then microwave and stir, you get the cheese, but it’s not too bad calorie wise.  Also if you eat bread, check the label and aim for 4g of fiber per slice.  You will find that "whole wheat" doesn’t always have fiber in it…. Anyway, I’m working out at the gym 6 days a week, half hour to an hour cardio every session and weights 3 days a week.

Sounds great! Food is my main problem, I have a chocolate addiction which I am working

on I love chocolate too, and it is allowed on my way of eating, because I don’t over do it.  Everything is "allowed", you just have to have balance.   I have discoverd a liking of V8 so I have now got a way to get the nutrients but it makes a miserable dinner. Any thoughts would be appreciated – trying to make a meal plan is becoming something of a nightmare

Lean protein like tuna, chicken, pork, lean cuts of beef, etc.  Steamed veggies w/aforementioned cheese sauce.  Voila!

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 I agree with determined on this one, balance and moderation is the key to losing weight and keeping it off. But first you have to know how many calories you are eating each day to see where you are over doing it. Go to www.fitday.com and post at least 3 day of normal eating, this will give you an idea of how much you now eat and then reduce this by around 500 calories a day to lose 1 pound a week. Nothing needs to be eliminated from your diet, it just has to be in moderation and counted in your daily calorie allowance. Most people make the mistake of restricting too much and deprive themselves of food that both tastes good and will keep them wanting to do more. I also love chocolate and I have no intention of never eating it again. I just watch that I don’t eat more then a piece once in a while.  If you don’t like veggies, try disguising by blending it into foods you do like. Hopefully you will learn to like more veggies since they are usually lower in fat and are very good for you. Roxan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I’m 24, 5′ 5 and 185 pounds. I need to lose weight. I’ve been doing a lot of reading, I’ve looked at the low calorie diets, the low carb diets, the low fat diets and frankly its one huge information overload. Everyone is saying their way is right and the other way is not. I’m confused. Anyway, I’m working out at the gym 6 days a week, half hour to an hour cardio every session and weights 3 days a week. Food is my main problem, I have a chocolate addiction which I am working on but that is not so much a problem as the pure simple fact that I despise green vegetables. I’m not trolling, I’m not being childish I just find that green veggies taste very bitter and unpleasant to me. The only exception oddly is asparagus but one cannot live on asparagus alone. I like mushrooms, and sweetcorn and thats about it – cauliflour is just about edible if covered in a cheese sauce which sort of defeats the object and carrots I’ll happily put in a beef stew cause they pick up the flavour of the stew but otherwise I find them pretty much tasteless. Every diet suggestion I read loves to suggest vegetables (understandably) and salad. Does anyone have any suggestions? I tried the atkins diet but gave up because it was simply driving me nuts eating nothing but meat, I never thought I could crave a simple potato. I have discoverd a liking of V8 so I have now got a way to get the nutrients but it makes a miserable dinner. Any thoughts would be appreciated – trying to make a meal plan is becoming something of a nightmare Thanks in advance Morkai

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree with determined on this one, balance and moderation is the key to losing weight and keeping it off. But first you have to know how many calories you are eating each day to see where you are over doing it. Go to www.fitday.com and post at least 3 day of normal eating, this will give you an idea of how much you now eat and then reduce this by around 500 calories a day to lose 1 pound a week. Nothing needs to be eliminated from your diet, it just has to be in moderation and counted in your daily calorie allowance. Most people make the mistake of restricting too much and deprive themselves of food that both tastes good and will keep them wanting to do more. I also love chocolate and I have no intention of never eating it again. I just watch that I don’t eat more then a piece once in a while.  If you don’t like veggies, try disguising by blending it into foods you do like. Hopefully you will learn to like more veggies since they are usually lower in fat and are very good for you. Roxan

I tried fitday after seeing it recommended so many times after reading through posts here. Either I’m doing it wrong or something but I wasn’t having much luck. A simple grilled chicken breast was something I couldn’t find. I did a search on ‘chicken breast skinless’ and the 6 results that came back were all battered or fried not grilled. I guess I can go do some hunting for the calorie value and make my own custom foods but then I might as well keep on with my excel sheet. I have been keeping track of my calories and it’s about 2000 a day, probably not from the best places, campbells chunky baked potato soups tend to factor a large part of my diet along with roast chicken. I roast a whole chicken, strip the meat and put that in the fridge I then boil everything left up to make a stock. I seperate off the fat add a ton of mushrooms and sweet corn, shred the breasts and put them back in and make soup. That normally lasts me all week, lunch and dinner. Quite often the dinner is soup and a chicken sub made with wheat bread and a bit of honey mustard to moisten it a bit. My point for this is I haven’t a clue what the calorie value of my soup is. I can take a track of the chicken, the mushrooms and the milk but have no idea about the base stock. Same when I make beef stew, I don’t add fat to it at all, I use a lean cut of beef if possible but I’m at a total loss as to what to equate it as when doing a calorie watch. Heh, I’ll keep dreaming about liking veggies, my poor mother has been trying to teach me for 24 years, I dutifully try some broccoli or her salad mix (rocket and dandelion leaves and things) every so often and it still tastes vile. I guess I can cope with iceburg, thats virtually tasteless, does leave one with a feeling of not having actually eaten anything though. And everything one can use to disguise the taste like mayo and cheese is to be avoided. I’m not very good at restraining myself so stuff I shouldn’t be eating is best avoided altogether than trying to tempt my willpower into only eating a little. Thankyou both for the thoughts – I guess I’ll just have to stick to the V8 and see where the exercise gets me. Morkai

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I tried fitday after seeing it recommended so many times after reading through posts here. Either I’m doing it wrong or something but I wasn’t having much luck. A simple grilled chicken breast was something I couldn’t find. I did a search on ‘chicken breast skinless’ and the 6 results that came back were all battered or fried not grilled. I guess I can go do some hunting for the calorie value and make my own custom foods but then I might as well keep on with my excel sheet.

Keep looking.  It’s there, but you may have to enter the chicken breast raw.  If you just look up chicken breast it’ll give you a bunch of options.  Keep clicking through until you find the one you want.  I found FitDay clunky at first, but the more I used it, the better I got at navigating it (funny how that works)  But in the end, I prefer my luddite-diet-notebook.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been keeping track of my calories and it’s about 2000 a day, probably not from the best places, campbells chunky baked potato soups tend to factor a large part of my diet along with roast chicken. I roast a whole chicken, strip the meat and put that in the fridge I then boil everything left up to make a stock. I seperate off the fat add a ton of mushrooms and sweet corn, shred the breasts and put them back in and make soup. That normally lasts me all week, lunch and dinner. Quite often the dinner is soup and a chicken sub made with wheat bread and a bit of honey mustard to moisten it a bit. My point for this is I haven’t a clue what the calorie value of my soup is. I can take a track of the chicken, the mushrooms and the milk but have no idea about the base stock. Same when I make beef stew, I don’t add fat to it at all, I use a lean cut of beef if possible but I’m at a total loss as to what to equate it as when doing a calorie watch.

Hrm.  I don’t know about the caloric value of stock.  I seems that it would be the caloric value of what you put in it, but I don’t know what the caloric value of bones is.  Maybe try looking it up on some other sites?  Some better grocery stores sell chicken stock (not broth) in the freezer section, so maybe you can find out there. Heh, I’ll keep dreaming about liking veggies, my poor mother has been trying to teach me for 24 years, I dutifully try some broccoli or her salad mix (rocket and dandelion leaves and things) every so often and it still tastes vile. I guess I can cope with iceburg, thats virtually tasteless, does leave one with a feeling of not having actually eaten anything though. And everything one can use to disguise the taste like mayo and cheese is to be avoided. I’m not very good at restraining myself so stuff I shouldn’t be eating is best avoided altogether than trying to tempt my willpower into only eating a little.

Keep trying ’til you find one you like.  I was never much of a veggies eater, but that’s because my mom didn’t make them very well, and she made gross salads.  (Good thing my mom doesn’t read Usenet!) I like asparagus drizzled with some sesame oil and then roasted in the over ’til it’s slightly charred and wrinkly – about 10-20 minutes at 400 degrees, depending how thick the stalks are.  You can do the same with fresh string beans.  Those I usually roast until they’re near-black and they’re crunchy.  I shred turnips and cook them like I would hash brown potatoes.  I steam cauliflower and mash with some cream cheese or some silken tofu and seasonings to make fake mashed potatoes.  Or I make omelettes – that’s an easy way to get your veggies, and for some reason they’re not as annoying when you have ‘em with your eggs.  But just pick one thing up and try it.  If you hate it, move on to the next veggie. Cheers, Nina — Medical fact, you fat whore.  If you could actually achieve your ideal weight, you would have to realize this first.  Get a life, and get skinny Slack.  Now. http://www.theslack.com

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Keep looking.  It’s there, but you may have to enter the chicken breast raw.  If you just look up chicken breast it’ll give you a bunch of options.  Keep clicking through until you find the one you want.

A better way sometimes is to go in through the food groups, rather than searching on a term.  Go to poultry, then to chicken, then scroll through. [re: veggies] Keep trying ’til you find one you like.

Believe it or not I thought about this one while I was falling asleep last night (oh, the useful tasks my mind turns to). Ideas: 1. Experiment with many different ways to cook veggies. I used to think many veggies were just gross because I’d been eating them the way my mom cooked them, which usually meant steamed in the microwave (uck).  Then I tried them prepared in different ways and was amazed at the difference. Try roasting them, braising them in flavoured liquid, adding a dash of dressing of choice, drizzle with a little herbed butter or olive oil, etc.  Make a vegetable puree for soup: throw a bunch into boiling water, cook, add a stock cube or two and desired spices, put it all in the blender. One yummy combo for this is cooked yams, carrots, and apples. 2.  Try eating them raw if you’re used to them cooked, or vice versa. I love raw green pepper but I don’t like cooked green pepper; it’s too bitter. Sometimes cooking will alleviate the bitterness, sometimes it’s the other way around. Sometimes you have to eat cooked veg immediately or they will acquire bitterness. Cruciferous veggies fall into this category (cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower). 3.  Enjoy the variety of veggies that’s out there!  There are lots and lots of veggies to try. 4.  Fruit is also a wonderful choice.  Add colourful fruits into your diet. People tend to stay away from fruit while dieting because they think it’s high in sugar, but as long as you allow for the calories, fruit is a great source of fibre, vitamins, and other beneficial phytonutrients.  Again, lots of variety and lots of ways to prepare them. Krista — www.stumptuous.com/weights.html www.trans-health.com

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|  I am doing quite a bit of weight training, so I try |to eat at least 130g of protein per day. Why? Do you know for a fact that your weight (btw, the correct term is STRENGTH TRAINING) training is so unbelievably compromised without this ridiculously consumption goal of daily protein. Of course you don’t..  you let your trainer abuse you and you accept any so called information on Usenet as fact. |To tell you the truth, I don’t eat alot of veggies, although I love almost |every one of them.  Figure out what you do like, and never eat canned |vegetables. Never, ever? What about those who live in climates where canned is the most available and sustainable source? |  Buy them fresh and steam them.  Maybe you can look at a recipe |website like www.allrecipes.com and see if you can find any veggie recipe |that appeals to you. Some of us have children and don’t have the time you have. Ooops. |I love chocolate too, and it is allowed on my way of eating, because I don’t |over do it.  Everything is "allowed", you just have to have balance. Clueless, totally clueless.

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Okay, I’m 24, 5′ 5 and 185 pounds. I need to lose weight. I’ve been doing a lot of reading, I’ve looked at the low calorie diets, the low carb diets, the low fat diets and frankly its one huge information overload. Everyone is saying their way is right and the other way is not. I’m confused.

Then you’re right on-target.  The fact is that there isn’t a clear consensus in the medical establishment regarding what is the one best way of losing weight and keeping it off.  So I’d recommend reading, listening and then making your own decision, based on everything you read and hear, and then stick with that decision until you’ve given the approach you’ve chosen a fair chance. I’m not trolling, I’m not being childish I just find that green veggies taste very bitter and unpleasant to me. The only exception oddly is asparagus but one cannot live on asparagus alone.

Don’t under-estimate asparagus.   <grin Seriously, I’d work on this as if it were a problem: Eating vegetables is considered to be an essential part of all regimens you’ve mentioned. I have discoverd a liking of V8 so I have now got a way to get the nutrients but it makes a miserable dinner.

And you’re missing much of the fiber that you need to get from vegetables. Any thoughts would be appreciated – trying to make a meal plan is becoming something of a nightmare

Try every vegetable there is.  Try them every place you can find that makes them, and watch every cooking show that is featuring vegetables during an episode, so you are exposed to a number of preparation methods for each.  For example, I know you like asparagus now, but I never did.  That’s because I always tried them steamed or boiled.  I never realized you could grill them.  THAT’S the method I like, and now they’re my favorite vegetable.   —

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:MMMmmmmmm…. Coooooffeeeee  *gurgle* : :I wish it wasn’t 2.50am.  I’m about to go to bed – exhausted enough to :sleep.  Can’t wait until morning… This August will be two years since I stopped coffee cold turkey! I miss it alot still, but treat myself to a few cups once or twice a week. Why do the good things have to be soooo bad for us??  I don`t drink anymore ( causes PA`s in me), quit smoking a few years ago, stopped drinking coffee, that`s just too much!! No one is taking the one thing I have left…. which is chocolate, away from me, ya hear )) Jackie ~*~Chocoholic:  If found unconscious, administer IV of Hershey’s Syrup~*~

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For someone with such delicate sensibilities I would recommend a judicious application of NFilter  before perusing the reading materials offered up in this group. {{{{{{Abyss}}}}}}

Tanks Frank, I’m wit choo again boss! Geeze I feels all warm wit da cuddle an all Frank. But no more of of the ‘jam rags’ – okay Frank? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to like the Washable Menstrual Pads more but  they can sure stink up the house if you save them until you have a full wash load. Then I tried the disposable kind and like wow, soooo much more convenient. Except they keep plugging up the Crapper. Any suggestions? "Frank" I’m no longer wit choo Frank – this is foul! I’m outta here I’m so sorry to hear that I offended you because that was not my intention. You do take your chances when reading OT posts. For someone with such delicate sensibilities I would recommend a judicious application of NFilter  before perusing the reading materials offered up in this group. {{{{{{Abyss}}}}}} "Frank"

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MMMmmmmmm…. Coooooffeeeee  *gurgle* I wish it wasn’t 2.50am.  I’m about to go to bed – exhausted enough to sleep.  Can’t wait until morning…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :I am sitting here TRYING to do some study, and craving chocolate like crazy. :I have heard that people with anxiety and depression are prone to sugar :addiction, and I was wondering the thoughts were of the group.  I for one :know that I am addicted to chocolate, but if I have too much sugar all at nce (a can of Pepsi is enough for me) it’s like I’m on drugs or something as opposed to the one’s I’m perscribed.)  Any ideas/comments/experiences to :share? kids hid their Easter baskets and Halloween trick-or-treat bags from me )  I have a whole bag of "Dove" chocolates in my desk draw as we speak, wrong with me Notice how the "good" stuff starts with "C", coca cola, chocolates and my most favorite "coffee" ) Jackie ~*~Chocoholic:  If found unconscious, administer IV of Hershey’s Syrup~*~

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:Chocolate is loaded with caffeine and sugar, to the extent that it can :give dogs cardiac arrest, (has less effect on cats), why not just go :back to coffee, or if you need chocolate use something diluted like hot :cocoa. :boyd I would love to go back to coffee, but it bothers my stomach and I can never predict when it is going to make me jittery. One day I can drink 5 cups with no problems and then the next have two and feel like I am coming out of my skin. I joke alot about my chocolate addiction<g, but in actuality I can go many days without having any ) Want to talk about my potato chip addiction? Jackie ~*~Chocoholic:  If found unconscious, administer IV of Hershey’s Syrup~*~

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Chocolate is loaded with caffeine and sugar, to the extent that it can give dogs cardiac arrest, (has less effect on cats), why not just go back to coffee, or if you need chocolate use something diluted like hot cocoa. boyd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :MMMmmmmmm…. Coooooffeeeee  *gurgle* : :I wish it wasn’t 2.50am.  I’m about to go to bed – exhausted enough to :sleep.  Can’t wait until morning… This August will be two years since I stopped coffee cold turkey! I miss it alot still, but treat myself to a few cups once or twice a week. Why do the good things have to be soooo bad for us??  I don`t drink anymore ( causes PA`s in me), quit smoking a few years ago, stopped drinking coffee, that`s just too much!! No one is taking the one thing I have left…. which is chocolate, away from me, ya hear )) Jackie ~*~Chocoholic:  If found unconscious, administer IV of Hershey’s Syrup~*~

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Yeah, that’s true, it does go flat rather quickly.  Pepsi needs to be consumed when it’s fresh and cold.

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Yes, I think that’s the other reason why I like Pepsi – It is less fizzy than Coke.  I can’t drink Coke fast enough because I’ve got bubbles in my mouth preventing me from swollowing and then I have to burp heaps. = oD Although for some that is a bonus!!! LOL

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:I am sitting here TRYING to do some study, and craving chocolate like crazy. :I have heard that people with anxiety and depression are prone to sugar :addiction, and I was wondering the thoughts were of the group.  I for one :know that I am addicted to chocolate, but if I have too much sugar all at nce (a can of Pepsi is enough for me) it’s like I’m on drugs or something as opposed to the one’s I’m perscribed.)  Any ideas/comments/experiences to :share? kids hid their Easter baskets and Halloween trick-or-treat bags from me )  I have a whole bag of "Dove" chocolates in my desk draw as we speak, wrong with me Notice how the "good" stuff starts with "C", coca cola, chocolates and my most favorite "coffee" ) Jackie ~*~Chocoholic:  If found unconscious, administer IV of Hershey’s Syrup~*~

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LOL!!

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Boyd, why are you so obsessed with death, did something happen to you as a child, do you have PTSD? ;^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you were a Texan it would be Dr Pepper or die! Boyd I give in.  I’m going to the 7-11 to get some chocolate.  Mmmmmm….  See you when I get back… BTW, I meant to write: " was wondering WHAT the thoughts were of the group"  Pepsi!!! How on earth can you drink that???? YUCK!!!! ..Coke or death!!! LOL Franky used to drink Pepsi. Then she met me and now it’s Coke!!! Jeff.. Look forward to reading your comments. x Cath. I am sitting here TRYING to do some study, and craving chocolate like crazy. I have heard that people with anxiety and depression are prone to sugar addiction, and I was wondering the thoughts were of the group.  I for one know that I am addicted to chocolate, but if I have too much sugar all at once (a can of Pepsi is enough for me) it’s like I’m on drugs or something (as opposed to the one’s I’m perscribed.)  Any ideas/comments/experiences to share?

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:Yes, I think that’s the other reason why I like Pepsi – It is less fizzy :than Coke.  I can’t drink Coke fast enough because I’ve got bubbles in my :mouth preventing me from swollowing and then I have to burp heaps. = oD :Although for some that is a bonus!!! LOL But fizzies are the best!! I love when they go up my nose That is also why I like 7-Up over Sprite, way more fizzies Jackie ~*~Life is mostly froth and bubble, Two things stand like stone, Kindness in another’s trouble, Courage in your own~*~ ~Adam Lindsay Gordon~

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:I used to like Coke more but I think they must have changed it in some way, :I dunno, but I just don’t enjoy drinking it anymore.  Then i tried Pepsi and :i think I liked it more because it’s sweeter.  It also feels less acidic on :the teeth.  When did you last try Pepsi? Dear Cath, I have been a Coke lover since I can remember, have at least one a day. Jackie

Jackie, there is help out there, I just hope you don’t have to hit bottom!                              Cocaine addiction can occur very quickly and be very difficult to                              break. Animal studies have shown that animals will work very                              hard (press a bar over 10,000 times) for a single injection of                              cocaine, choose cocaine over food and water, and take cocaine                              even when this behavior is punished. Animals must have their                              access to cocaine limited in order not to take toxic or even lethal                              doses. People addicted to cocaine behave similarly. They will go                              to great lengths to get cocaine and continue to take it even when                              it hurts their school or job performance and their relationships                              with loved ones. ;^)

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Okay, so, somehow I found room for chocolate after all.

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If you were a Texan it would be Dr Pepper or die! Boyd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I give in.  I’m going to the 7-11 to get some chocolate.  Mmmmmm….  See you when I get back… BTW, I meant to write: " was wondering WHAT the thoughts were of the group"  Pepsi!!! How on earth can you drink that???? YUCK!!!! ..Coke or death!!! LOL Franky used to drink Pepsi. Then she met me and now it’s Coke!!! Jeff.. Look forward to reading your comments. x Cath. I am sitting here TRYING to do some study, and craving chocolate like crazy. I have heard that people with anxiety and depression are prone to sugar addiction, and I was wondering the thoughts were of the group.  I for one know that I am addicted to chocolate, but if I have too much sugar all at once (a can of Pepsi is enough for me) it’s like I’m on drugs or something (as opposed to the one’s I’m perscribed.)  Any ideas/comments/experiences to share?

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I used to like the Washable Menstrual Pads more but  they can sure stink up the house if you save them until you have a full wash load. Then I tried the disposable kind and like wow, soooo much more convenient. Except they keep plugging up the Crapper. Any suggestions? "Frank"

I’m no longer wit choo Frank – this is foul! I’m outta here

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** I have been a Coke lover since I can remember, have at least one a day. I think it also fizzes more than most other soda`s and that is another reason why I love it. I just tried the new "Vanilla Creme" and it is excellent. Take care

I am also a long term lover of diet coke and use quite a lot of Aspartame (the sweetener ingredient) in other ways, in a sometimes vain attempt to control my weight. However, I do occasionally wonder whether the speculative litigants against the makers of such products, are in fact telling the truth about the alleged horrific ’symptoms’ from the use of these very popular Kind regards, John ** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :I used to like Coke more but I think they must have changed it in some way, :I dunno, but I just don’t enjoy drinking it anymore.  Then i tried Pepsi and :i think I liked it more because it’s sweeter.  It also feels less acidic on :the teeth.  When did you last try Pepsi? Dear Cath, I tried a Pepsi a few months ago and couldn`t even finish it…….it is sooo gross to me ) I don`t like anything I drink to be too sweet, like powered ice tea mix and Kool aid. If I do drink powered ice tea mix, I water it down alot. I have been a Coke lover since I can remember, have at least one a day. I think it also fizzes more than most other soda`s and that is another reason why I love it. I just tried the new "Vanilla Creme" and it is excellent. Take care Jackie ~*~Life is mostly froth and bubble, Two things stand like stone, Kindness in another’s trouble, Courage in your own~*~ ~Adam Lindsay Gordon~

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:I just tried the new "Vanilla Creme" and it is :excellent. Take care I meant I just tried the new "Vanilla Coke" ) Jackie ~*~Life is mostly froth and bubble, Two things stand like stone, Kindness in another’s trouble, Courage in your own~*~ ~Adam Lindsay Gordon~

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You know, after going to the shop especially to buy chocolate, I also buy Bran flakes and fruit and come home and eat that instead!!  Now I am so full i can’t even contemplate eating chocolate!  LOL! Honestly!  Sometimes I don’t know what to do with myself.  (But it’s okay, you can refrain from offering suggestions. = oD)

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:I used to like Coke more but I think they must have changed it in some way, :I dunno, but I just don’t enjoy drinking it anymore.  Then i tried Pepsi and :i think I liked it more because it’s sweeter.  It also feels less acidic on :the teeth.  When did you last try Pepsi? Dear Cath, I tried a Pepsi a few months ago and couldn`t even finish it…….it is sooo gross to me ) I don`t like anything I drink to be too sweet, like powered ice tea mix and Kool aid. If I do drink powered ice tea mix, I water it down alot. I have been a Coke lover since I can remember, have at least one a day. I think it also fizzes more than most other soda`s and that is another reason why I love it. I just tried the new "Vanilla Creme" and it is excellent. Take care Jackie ~*~Life is mostly froth and bubble, Two things stand like stone, Kindness in another’s trouble, Courage in your own~*~ ~Adam Lindsay Gordon~

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I often get overwhelming cravings for something sweet……chocolate would be nice but as long as it has sugar it will do…LOL

I am sitting here TRYING to do some study, and craving chocolate like crazy. I have heard that people with anxiety and depression are prone to sugar addiction, and I was wondering the thoughts were of the group.  I for one know that I am addicted to chocolate, but if I have too much sugar all at once (a can of Pepsi is enough for me) it’s like I’m on drugs or something (as opposed to the one’s I’m perscribed.)  Any ideas/comments/experiences to share?

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I have quit using the nutrasweet stuff and am using "Splenda" It is non-calorie, safe for diabetics, and tastes exactly like sugar. It is actually made from sugar. Any soda I drink is diet, and I try to keep desserts out of the place, except fruit, jam and jelly. Boyd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am sitting here TRYING to do some study, and craving chocolate like crazy. I have heard that people with anxiety and depression are prone to sugar addiction, and I was wondering the thoughts were of the group.  I for one know that I am addicted to chocolate, but if I have too much sugar all at once (a can of Pepsi is enough for me) it’s like I’m on drugs or something (as opposed to the one’s I’m perscribed.)  Any ideas/comments/experiences to share?

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I am sitting here TRYING to do some study, and craving chocolate like crazy. I have heard that people with anxiety and depression are prone to sugar addiction, and I was wondering the thoughts were of the group.  I for one know that I am addicted to chocolate, but if I have too much sugar all at once (a can of Pepsi is enough for me) it’s like I’m on drugs or something (as opposed to the one’s I’m perscribed.)  Any ideas/comments/experiences to share?

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I give in.  I’m going to the 7-11 to get some chocolate.  Mmmmmm….  See you when I get back… BTW, I meant to write: " was wondering WHAT the thoughts were of the group" Look forward to reading your comments. x Cath.

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I used to like Coke more but I think they must have changed it in some way, I dunno, but I just don’t enjoy drinking it anymore.  Then i tried Pepsi and i think I liked it more because it’s sweeter.  It also feels less acidic on the teeth.  When did you last try Pepsi?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I give in.  I’m going to the 7-11 to get some chocolate.  Mmmmmm….  See you when I get back… BTW, I meant to write: " was wondering WHAT the thoughts were of the group"  Pepsi!!! How on earth can you drink that???? YUCK!!!! ..Coke or death!!! LOL Franky used to drink Pepsi. Then she met me and now it’s Coke!!! Jeff.. Look forward to reading your comments. x Cath. I am sitting here TRYING to do some study, and craving chocolate like crazy. I have heard that people with anxiety and depression are prone to sugar addiction, and I was wondering the thoughts were of the group.  I for one know that I am addicted to chocolate, but if I have too much sugar all at once (a can of Pepsi is enough for me) it’s like I’m on drugs or something (as opposed to the one’s I’m perscribed.)  Any

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Why is a white poodles mouth brown ?? Paul    SFB

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because it likes to kiss ass? because it has a chocolate addiction? because it doesn’t have thumbs to pick up a wash cloth with? the world may never know.

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Why is a white poodles mouth brown ?? Paul    SFB

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because it likes to kiss ass? because it has a chocolate addiction? because it doesn’t have thumbs to pick up a wash cloth with? the world may never know.

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone OK, Cat- what is the secret to doing this?

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone

OK, Cat- what is the secret to doing this? Stan Remove "JUNK" for my valid address.

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone flap flap oink oink flap flap  ;)

what are you trying to say??

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perhaps she was replaceing the frutcose sugar that her body craves with the pure glucose that is in chocolate

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone

Oh, that’s just not right.  unhuman.  Unnatural. Congratulations. Why did you want to give up chocolate?

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone

be patient

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone

Wait until you get chocolate covered fruit for Valentine’s Day! BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (typed backwards to prevent SPAM) Website: home.cox.rr.com/alm

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perhaps she was replaceing the frutcose sugar that her body craves with the pure glucose that is in chocolate Trust me, I know this girl

oh yee of little faith!

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone beware.  chocolate is a sneaky little devil.  :-) —

It is isn’t it? It sneaked onto my dreams last night – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Character is doing the right thing          even when no one is watching" –Unknown ‘Courage isn’t always marked by a roar, but by quietly saying at the end of the day, "I’m going  to try again tomorrow."’ — An unattributed quote repeated by the first double amputee to reach the summit of Mt. McKinley x-no-archive: yes is in the headers for others’ sake www.mindspring.com/~wombn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It  looks like you have lost your ability to speak intelligently. either that or  you have had a stroke. Time to call 911. You’re boring me now. You were boring me from the start, but I did not let that get to me. Incedently, I thought this next sentence might be useful for you, so pay close attention.  I know it will there will be an involvment with words and such, but muddle through the best you can. You are dumber than a bag of hammers! You got that? Do you need a translater?  Do you need a doctor and a nurse?  Do you need an injection?  Do you need to be deported? Do you need to be ignored?  Do you need a gift certificate to the big and tall man store?  I could do this all day and I doubt I would run out of your needs.  So I guess you will have to tend to those yourself, You may want to consider calling 911 and just say "man in need of mental care" and you wil get the help you so desperately need. Samantha are you two fighting for real or is this goof-fighting?

I think we were fighting there, but i hope we will be making up soon. I may have been  a horses ass here, the votes are still out on that one. Samantha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — "Character is doing the right thing         even when no one is watching" –Unknown ‘Courage isn’t always marked by a roar, but by quietly saying at the end of the day, "I’m going to try again tomorrow."’ — An unattributed quote repeated by the first double amputee to reach the summit of Mt. McKinley x-no-archive: yes is in the headers for others’ sake www.mindspring.com/~wombn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Samantha You are dumping on a pretty nice guy.  You need to read and learn who is who before you make mistakes that will follow you around. toad Toad, All I have in have is what see before me, he is not acting like a nice guy.  But I am always willing to be found wrong and give the guy a second chance.   Not that he needs one, maybe I am the one who needs the second chance. Samantha Thanks Sure just about everybody deserves a second chance.  You did nothing wrong but let me put to you, if these two people are friends then his pigs have wings post would mean something very different than what you saw to her.  Maybe they are friends just shooting the bull?  I think so, be well…. toad there just toading around

That’s pretty funny, yuk yuk yui Samantha Someone who likes to laugh

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Samantha You are dumping on a pretty nice guy.  You need to read and learn who is who before you make mistakes that will follow you around. toad Toad, All I have in have is what see before me, he is not acting like a nice guy.  But I am always willing to be found wrong and give the guy a second chance.   Not that he needs one, maybe I am the one who needs the second chance. Samantha Thanks Sure just about everybody deserves a second chance.  You did nothing wrong but let me put to you, if these two people are friends then his pigs have wings post would mean something very different than what you saw to her.  Maybe they are friends just shooting the bull?  I think so, be well…. toad

Hi toad, I like you, you speak your mind when it is not an easy thing to do.  I would prefer honesty from someone than anything elses.  And that is what I did not get from these other friends.  They waited till I made the mistake something like six times before anybody spoke up. Because they were all talking the same game as the perosn who was attacking me and none of them really said who they were and who they were tallking to, it was hard to understand who I was to answer,  I probably should have left it alone.  But I felt I was beeing atacked and I went with it.  If a person feels they are beeing atacked  chance are they will go with it if has been one time or 20 times.  I have a feeling friendship had nothing to do with the way they were treating me. I hope if we become friends you will stay just as honest with me as you have in the past.  I need that kind of honesty. Samantha

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Samantha You are dumping on a pretty nice guy.  You need to read and learn who is who before you make mistakes that will follow you around. toad Toad, All I have in have is what see before me, he is not acting like a nice guy.  But I am always willing to be found wrong and give the guy a second chance.   Not that he needs one, maybe I am the one who needs the second chance. Samantha Thanks Sure just about everybody deserves a second chance.  You did nothing wrong but let me put to you, if these two people are friends then his pigs have wings post would mean something very different than what you saw to her.  Maybe they are friends just shooting the bull?  I think so, be well…. toad

there just toading around

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Samantha You are dumping on a pretty nice guy.  You need to read and learn who is who before you make mistakes that will follow you around. toad Toad, All I have in have is what see before me, he is not acting like a nice guy.  But I am always willing to be found wrong and give the guy a second chance.   Not that he needs one, maybe I am the one who needs the second chance. Samantha Thanks

Sure just about everybody deserves a second chance.  You did nothing wrong but let me put to you, if these two people are friends then his pigs have wings post would mean something very different than what you saw to her.   Maybe they are friends just shooting the bull?  I think so, be well…. toad

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It  looks like you have lost your ability to speak intelligently. either that or  you have had a stroke. Time to call 911. You’re boring me now.

Hi, Acording to Toad I have been " Dumping on a pretty nice guy."   I don’t know what to say.  It appeared to me that you were dumping on a person who as trying to make positive changes in her life.  You seem to be a good author of one liners. I think I shall entertain you with a couple of your own. "flap flap oink oink flap flap  "  ;) As I see this a second time I see the smiley face, so I might have taken this all wrong.  If I have please forgifve me for that. cattareena asked: "what are you trying to say??" Grovel Johnson said "wear your hard hat and plastic mac" Could you tell me what I am missing here? Maybe you have a long history with this person, I am a relative newcomer and don’t know anything about her.  If she is prone to going on and off diets and you are tired of her braging on her new diet that maybe be it.  Is it? Does she often  fail at her diet attempts?  I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt because you have a strong ally.  I can tell you one thing, I am gona step back because I probably should not have entered this conversation in the first place.  I thought I wad defending a person who was beeing dumped on, and someone has advised me that I have been the one doing the dumping.  I am sure that is all together possible.  It is obvious to me that my contrabrutions to the conversatiois are doing no good any way, so I might as well bow out. All I know is what I see  here, I have not been around long enough to know any more about you. If I have rushed to judgement I am sorry. Can we start all over again and I promise I won’t dump on you anymore. Samantha

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Samantha You are dumping on a pretty nice guy.  You need to read and learn who is who before you make mistakes that will follow you around. toad

Toad, All I have in have is what see before me, he is not acting like a nice guy.  But I am always willing to be found wrong and give the guy a second chance.   Not that he needs one, maybe I am the one who needs the second chance. Samantha Thanks

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It  looks like you have lost your ability to speak intelligently. either that or  you have had a stroke. Time to call 911. You’re boring me now. You were boring me from the start, but I did not let that get to me. Incedently, I thought this next sentence might be useful for you, so pay close attention.  I know it will there will be an involvment with words and such, but muddle through the best you can. You are dumber than a bag of hammers! You got that? Do you need a translater?  Do you need a doctor and a nurse?  Do you need an injection?  Do you need to be deported? Do you need to be ignored?  Do you need a gift certificate to the big and tall man store?  I could do this all day and I doubt I would run out of your needs.  So I guess you will have to tend to those yourself, You may want to consider calling 911 and just say "man in need of mental care" and you wil get the help you so desperately need. Samantha

You are dumping on a pretty nice guy.  You need to read and learn who is who before you make mistakes that will follow you around.  toad

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It  looks like you have lost your ability to speak intelligently. either that or  you have had a stroke. Time to call 911. You’re boring me now.

You were boring me from the start, but I did not let that get to me. Incedently, I thought this next sentence might be useful for you, so pay close attention.  I know it will there will be an involvment with words and such, but muddle through the best you can. You are dumber than a bag of hammers! You got that? Do you need a translater?  Do you need a doctor and a nurse?  Do you need an injection?  Do you need to be deported? Do you need to be ignored?  Do you need a gift certificate to the big and tall man store?  I could do this all day and I doubt I would run out of your needs.  So I guess you will have to tend to those yourself, You may want to consider calling 911 and just say "man in need of mental care" and you wil get the help you so desperately need. Samantha

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone flap flap oink oink flap flap

Don’t worry mr/mrs flap flap oink oink flap flap, maybe some day you will do something to be proud of too. Samantha

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone

That deserves a congratulations and a big well done! You have done something that should make you very proud of yourself, and your body will thank you too. Samantha Thinking she needs to do that too

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Why did you want to give up chocolate? Too many calories in the wonderful stuff, I find it addictive, I love everything about it <sigh

I say,  limit. but don’t give up something you love.  Only the best quality chocolate, only a couple of times per week.

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone Wait until you get chocolate covered fruit for Valentine’s Day! BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

yikes i hadn’t thought of that! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (typed backwards to prevent SPAM) Website: home.cox.rr.com/alm

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that I have overcome my chocolate addiction! yay, yay I have replaced chocolate with fruit and so far so good, the cravings have gone Oh, that’s just not right.  unhuman.  Unnatural. Congratulations. Why did you want to give up chocolate?

Too many calories in the wonderful stuff, I find it addictive, I love everything about it <sigh

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My daughter was put on WELLBUTRIN for her ADHD … till she took herself off of though I am not on Prednisone Peace and Love Maryjo

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If you drink coffee often enough, it has less & less effect. Miss Kitty

All the replies to my post are along this line, but this has never been an issue..  I never took medication daily, but merely as needed.  I’ve tested this problem (even as far back as when it first started to be a problem) by waiting weeks, months, and even over a year between doses; same result.  In short: this isn’t it.   I’d love other ideas. Thanks – Kevin

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There are other meds for attention deficit.  You body could have gotten used to it (know someone who took it for years and it stopped working) and his doc switched him to a different. med which helped with less side effect than Ritalin.  UM MOM Susan

All the replies to my post are along this line, but this has never been an issue..  I never took medication daily, but merely as needed.  I’ve tested this problem (even as far back as when it first started to be a problem) by waiting weeks, months, and even over a year between doses; same result.  In short: this isn’t it.   I’d love other ideas. Thanks – Kevin

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This is something it seems nobody has figured out, but every so often I lob this onto the newsgroup to see if anyone else has had (or witnessed) a similar experience. I am attention-deficit and have UC.  For years, I took Ritalin or Dexedrine for the ADD, with great benefit.  I also liked my cups of coffee in the morning! After I got UC, I got put on prednisone and left on it for almost 2 years!  As you’d guess, I had plenty of side effects, but none more mysterious than this one:  gradually, over the two years, caffeine and Ritalin had less and less of an effect, until they did nothing. When I got off prednisone, nothing changed.  Well actually, one thing changed – not only did stimulants not work, but if I tried to take them repetitively, I could get a fairly sick feeling.

I took pred for a few months for UC. I consider myself to be undiagnosed adult ADD (problem of scepticism in UK psychiatrists). While on the pred I noticed that I naturally dropped my usual heavy coffee habit. I just didn’t like it or want it any more. When tapering off the pred I suddenly became gripped by very serious chocolate addiction, so much so that I shopped extensively for the highest cocoa content at the cheapest prices, and kept stashes all round the house. I couldn’t survive an evening without a lot of chocolate. Nothing else would do, not even coffee. After stopping the pred, the chocolate addiction disappeared as suddenly and mysteriously as it had arrived. Even today I sometimes stumble across one of my old secret emergency chocolate stashes. I don’t even bother to try it, I simply bung the bars out in the public sweets (candies) bowl for others to eat. I’ve lost interest. But I’ve also re-acquired my old heavy coffee habit. Not the same as your observation, but an observation that pred can remove a powerful coffee habit, and induce and remove a powerful chocolate habit. Fortunately it can also cure UC (if you’re lucky, as I was — School of Artificial Intelligence,     Division of Informatics   Edinburgh University,   5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ]    DoD #205

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you’d guess, I had plenty of side effects, but none more mysterious than this one:  gradually, over the two years, caffeine and Ritalin had less and less of an effect, until they did nothing.

If you drink coffee often enough, it has less & less effect. Miss Kitty

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Just a wild guess here but… Doesn’t pred surpress your bodies ability to produce adrenaline or process adrenaline? I know it does something to this effect. A possible area to look into could be if the stimulants are being negatively affected due to that. Besides that, your body naturally develops a tolerance to stims over time, but your case seems pretty extreme. John Connor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -one:  gradually, over the two years, caffeine and Ritalin had less and less of an effect, until they did nothing. Has anyone else experienced Prednisone having a detrimental effect on their response to stimulants?   Or does anyone have any knowledge or thoughts on the topic, or know who might?  I’ve been trying to figure out this problem for years, and any help I can find is greatly appreciated.

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There are other meds for attention deficit.  You body could have gotten used to it (know someone who took it for years and it stopped working) and his doc switched him to a different. med which helped with less side effect than Ritalin.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is something it seems nobody has figured out, but every so often I lob this onto the newsgroup to see if anyone else has had (or witnessed) a similar experience. I am attention-deficit and have UC.  For years, I took Ritalin or Dexedrine for the ADD, with great benefit.  I also liked my cups of coffee in the morning! After I got UC, I got put on prednisone and left on it for almost 2 years! As you’d guess, I had plenty of side effects, but none more mysterious than this one:  gradually, over the two years, caffeine and Ritalin had less and less of an effect, until they did nothing. When I got off prednisone, nothing changed.  Well actually, one thing changed – not only did stimulants not work, but if I tried to take them repetitively, I could get a fairly sick feeling. I was off prednisone for a long time, on again for 9 months, off again for the last 6 .. but no changes.   This has been decimating to me, because I have had to give up my career (lawyer) because I can’t concentrate well enough, and I have struggled ever since I was unable to treat my ADD with stimulants. The caffeine/ephedrine business is not nearly as significant, but I wouldn’t mind if caffeine woke me up instead of made me slightly queasy and did nothing. Has anyone else experienced Prednisone having a detrimental effect on their response to stimulants?   Or does anyone have any knowledge or thoughts on the topic, or know who might?  I’ve been trying to figure out this problem for years, and any help I can find is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kevin

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This is something it seems nobody has figured out, but every so often I lob this onto the newsgroup to see if anyone else has had (or witnessed) a similar experience. I am attention-deficit and have UC.  For years, I took Ritalin or Dexedrine for the ADD, with great benefit.  I also liked my cups of coffee in the morning! After I got UC, I got put on prednisone and left on it for almost 2 years!  As you’d guess, I had plenty of side effects, but none more mysterious than this one:  gradually, over the two years, caffeine and Ritalin had less and less of an effect, until they did nothing. When I got off prednisone, nothing changed.  Well actually, one thing changed – not only did stimulants not work, but if I tried to take them repetitively, I could get a fairly sick feeling. I was off prednisone for a long time, on again for 9 months, off again for the last 6 .. but no changes.   This has been decimating to me, because I have had to give up my career (lawyer) because I can’t concentrate well enough, and I have struggled ever since I was unable to treat my ADD with stimulants.   The caffeine/ephedrine business is not nearly as significant, but I wouldn’t mind if caffeine woke me up instead of made me slightly queasy and did nothing. Has anyone else experienced Prednisone having a detrimental effect on their response to stimulants?   Or does anyone have any knowledge or thoughts on the topic, or know who might?  I’ve been trying to figure out this problem for years, and any help I can find is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kevin

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Nicole, I completely understand. I too am a chocoholic. I have found that for some reason though, "safe" sweets do not trigger binges for me…maybe because of the stomach problems I have gotten in the past from eating too much!  Read the packages, it says, "excess consumption may have a laxative effect"…Now *that’s*  no fun!

For me, it hasn’t been excessive consumption (except for one day when I had a whole bar).  The problem has come from a gradual ramp-up of eating it.  It used to be one or two squares a month or less.  The last month or so, it’s ramped up to 3 or 4 a day, and that’s caused the cravings which kept the cycle going. But I wish you luck in getting back to your WOE…

Thanks Audrey! I haven’t gotten away from low carb – I’m still going strong!  Just that darned legal treat/sugar-free chocolate problem! it sounds like you’ve done a great job so far…

And you are, too!  Keep up the good work! don’t let a little craving knock you down!!! You can do it!!! Audrey 208/198.5/155

– Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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I’m exactly the same.  Chocolate and sweet things are my triggers.  I have no urge to eat them because I don’t think I would enjoy them.  A few weeks ago I was going through a bad patch and had a binge one night.  I felt terrible the next morning, it may sound strange but I started having a lot of gas the day after that binge

Not strange at all.  That’s one of the symptoms I get from eating carbs. Happens to lots of people.  That’s why you probably noticed a lack of ‘tooting’ when you started low carb.  I love that I don’t do that anymore – DH thinks it’s taken away his manhood! LOL! — Jenh Life is like a box of chocolates. Too damn full of carbs !

LOL!  Amen! 280 / 258.5 / 140

Great stats! — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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Now I on the other found that having a piece of low carb chocolate helped me with the "thought pattern". I could eat a bite of it and I Was ok.

Me, too, for the longest time, and I’ll get back to that.  This actually has been a good learning experience for me.  I know that if I keep it to a rare treat, it’s great, but I can’t have it around and I can’t have a serving even every day or it triggers those cravings and stalls my weight loss. I wasnt craving sweets until about a week ago and thenI suprisingly got my period yesterday.

That is FABULOUS, Laureen!  Congrats! Thanks for your honesty Nicole. I really appreciated your post

Thank YOU! Smiles to you, Laureen http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=175805&a=1279588

You have a beautiful family, Laureen.  You’re so very lucky! — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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I’m with you there. I tried some low carb hot chocolate the other night. 4.5 carbs for the cup. Well, that night was the first time I had acid reflux since beginning this 6 weeks ago. Also, I spent the day looking forward to the hot chocolate and the time afterwards thinking, "Jeez, that was not really that good, and I wasted 4.5 carbs on it." So then I was pissed that I couldn’t have the real thing. Same with the bars and shakes. I have almost a full can of powder and 5 of 6 bars in my kitchen with no real intension of eating them. More and more I am convinced that all low-carb substitutes do for me is remind me of how much I liked the real stuff.

DH is like that.  I think the best thing to do is simply stay away from the treats, legal or otherwise, while you’re trying to loose weight.  Then see what you can incorporate into maintanence without gaining (you may find that by then, you don’t even care about them anymore).  But right now, don’t think about it as if you’re being deprived of the treats, just that it’s a temporary measure until you get to goal.  This may not work for everyone, and it may be counterproductive to some, but you have to find a method you can live with and be successful at. Lots of luck, Wayne!  And congrats on the 25 lb loss! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne Crannell 250/225.5/175 Atkins 10/27/01

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Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.   Over and over again, I’ve read posts claiming that sweet tastes will trigger an insulin surge and/or cravings, but I completely ignored them, thinking that it was bunk.  FOR ME, it’s not bunk.

That’s great that you figured it out. I wanted to add one more thing to the list though (as an addition to the effects you’ve noticed, not an alternate explanation).  Some people (especially women I hear) who crave chocolate are low on some of the nutrients that are often in chocolate (chocolate the plant, not the sugar and other additives).  In particular, magnesium.  You might try taking more Mg.  Most people are low on it and if you don’t have enough any calcium you take is not being absorbed as much as you might think. Cyndi — Lowcarb vegetarian + seafood since 7/28/98 — http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/                Current goal: Body Fat Percentage: 37.3/33.8/28 "There’s nothing wrong with me.  Maybe there’s                Cyndi Norman                                                     http://www.tikvah.com/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.   Over and over again, I’ve read posts claiming that sweet tastes will trigger an insulin surge and/or cravings, but I completely ignored them, thinking that it was bunk.  FOR ME, it’s not bunk. That’s great that you figured it out. I wanted to add one more thing to the list though (as an addition to the effects you’ve noticed, not an alternate explanation).  Some people (especially women I hear) who crave chocolate are low on some of the nutrients that are often in chocolate (chocolate the plant, not the sugar and other additives).  In particular, magnesium.  You might try taking more Mg.  Most people are low on it and if you don’t have enough any calcium you take is not being absorbed as much as you might think. Cyndi

Thanks, Cyndi, I didn’t know that.  I do take a calcium/magnesium/zinc supplement most days.  I’ll up it to every day consistently – maybe twice a day like I used to. Cheers! Nicole K.

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I heard that craving chocolate could be a potassium deficiency as well. ConnieW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.   Over and over again, I’ve read posts claiming that sweet tastes will trigger an insulin surge and/or cravings, but I completely ignored them, thinking that it was bunk.  FOR ME, it’s not bunk. That’s great that you figured it out. I wanted to add one more thing to the list though (as an addition to the effects you’ve noticed, not an alternate explanation).  Some people (especially women I hear) who crave chocolate are low on some of the nutrients that are often in chocolate (chocolate the plant, not the sugar and other additives).  In particular, magnesium.  You might try taking more Mg.  Most people are low on it and if you don’t have enough any calcium you take is not being absorbed as much as you might think. Cyndi — Lowcarb vegetarian + seafood since 7/28/98 —

http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                Current goal: Body Fat Percentage: 37.3/33.8/28 "There’s nothing wrong with me.  Maybe there’s                Cyndi Norman                                                     http://www.tikvah.com/

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Hey all! Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.

I’m with you there. I tried some low carb hot chocolate the other night. 4.5 carbs for the cup. Well, that night was the first time I had acid reflux since beginning this 6 weeks ago. Also, I spent the day looking forward to the hot chocolate and the time afterwards thinking, "Jeez, that was not really that good, and I wasted 4.5 carbs on it." So then I was pissed that I couldn’t have the real thing. Same with the bars and shakes. I have almost a full can of powder and 5 of 6 bars in my kitchen with no real intension of eating them. More and more I am convinced that all low-carb substitutes do for me is remind me of how much I liked the real stuff. Wayne Crannell 250/225.5/175 Atkins 10/27/01 —  –

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Or over half  a jar of peanut butter at one sitting?

Only an addiction could explain this. :0

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welcome back nicole!

Thanks Rosie!  I’ve never been gone, though… reading every day, just not posting much. your right, YOU DO have the power to stay out of the candy

So, so true!  And many congrats to you on staying out of them! BTW, how’d the recipe turn out that you’d posted about on rfc? — read and post daily! rosie

– Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. Good luck. And good for you for facing something so difficult head on. You’re an inspiration!

Thanks Bridget!  You’ve been an inspiration to me in ways you’ll never know. .. Bridget M. CAD 2/94 LC 7/01 188/164/126

– Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. All together now… "we shall overcooooooome, we shall overcooooooome….." — Rosiebint

Heh heh!  I knew I could count on you, Rosiebint, for some much needed hand holding! You go, girl! — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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They say the first step is recognizing that you have a problem.  I think a lot of us are addicted to something.  How else can I explain eating a whole package of chocolate chip cookie dough when I wasn’t particularly hungry?

Oh do I identify with that! Or over half a jar of peanut butter at one sitting?

Okay, but not really with this one.  ;) Funny, doing LC I can watch someone eat desert and it doesn’t bother me much.

Usually for me, too.  It still amazes me that low carbing has given me an amazing amount of self control and will power.  Okay, except for during this particular ’sweet crisis’. But I know what would happen if I were alone in the house with a lot of sweets. Not a pretty thought. BillJ

– Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the past month or so, I’ve been fighting (unsuccessfully) the cravings that result from eating ‘legal’ sweets.  And it’s been worse since I discovered that Walgreen’s carries the new Carbolite Chocolate Peanut Butter bar and the Pure Delight bars.  If anyone watched The West Wing last night, I’m telling you, Leo’s description of his alcoholism was right on par with my sweet/chocolate addiction.  I, too, can’t understand (when I’m in the midst of the craving cycle) how anyone can have just one serving.  It’s like I go on autopilot.  The desire for sweet/chocolate turns my brain off. Absoutely.  In my former life, I rarely had leftovers and I don’t have a clue what stale cake or cold cookies taste like.  I still can’t understand how people can keep ice cream in the fridge for more than a few hours or how they can nibble on a box of biscuits.  So we don’t buy the trigger foods anymore.  Leo got to me, too.

You’re right, Kay, no more buying the trigger foods.  I’ve learned a valuable lesson.  I think I fell into the trap of thinking that a square or two of Carbolite chocolate wasn’t causing any stalls, cravings, or other problems, so I could have a bit more.  And the bit more turned into another bit more, which ultimately caused the stall and cravings.  So for me, I’ve learned that once I get past this, the low carb treats will be a tiny bit on rare occasions – and no more. You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. And for those of you who made it to the end of this post – thanks for ‘listening’!  :) Hear ya, sister!  In the Stupid sweepstakes, I win, though.  After 2.5 years lowcarbing, I forgot that tomatoes and onions are sweet and I need to ration them.  After a vacation where I ate a zillion salads, I went nuts on the legal sweets.  One night, I stood before a box of Splenda and a head of brocolli and wondered how they’d make a snack. Then the little voice demanded to know what the hell I was thinking. It reminded me that sweet is sweet no matter where it comes from, and that my system treats the artificial the same as the real.

I feel for you!  I’m lucky in that it only seems to be the artificial sweeteners (and chocolate) that cause the problem.  I’m fine with a few tomatoes or onions.  Of course, I’m going to be paying a whole lot more attention to my reaction to all foods now. Splenda and broccoli, Splenda and broccoli… sorry Kay, I just can visualize them together!  LOL! Yes, Nicole, I wish you luck, which you won’t need for long.  The cravings should go away in a very few days.  In my case, I can now have my one square of chocolate a day with no consequences, but that’s after going cold turkey for two weeks.

I’m going to be very wary of the chocolate for a long time! Hang in there, lady — you can do this!

Thanks Kay!!! Cheers, Kay 232/144 (lowcarb since 98/12/26) maintenance since May 2000

– Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all! Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.   Over and over again, I’ve read posts claiming that sweet tastes will trigger an insulin surge and/or cravings, but I completely ignored them, thinking that it was bunk.  FOR ME, it’s not bunk. For the past month or so, I’ve been fighting (unsuccessfully) the cravings that result from eating ‘legal’ sweets.  And it’s been worse since I discovered that Walgreen’s carries the new Carbolite Chocolate Peanut Butter bar and the Pure Delight bars.  If anyone watched The West Wing last night, I’m telling you, Leo’s description of his alcoholism was right on par with my sweet/chocolate addiction.  I, too, can’t understand (when I’m in the midst of the craving cycle) how anyone can have just one serving.  It’s like I go on autopilot.  The desire for sweet/chocolate turns my brain off.  I was in the grocery store last night shopping for quiche ingredients and had wandered over to the candy isle without giving it a second thought. Thankfully it dawned on me that "Hey!  I DO have a brain and CAN decide not to give in to the cravings."  It took a concerted effort to stay on track and remember that I can gain control and eliminate the cravings by just a few days of strength and no sweets. You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. And for those of you who made it to the end of this post – thanks for ‘listening’!  :) — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

Nicole, I completely understand. I too am a chocoholic. I have found that for some reason though, "safe" sweets do not trigger binges for me…maybe because of the stomach problems I have gotten in the past from eating too much!  Read the packages, it says, "excess consumption may have a laxative effect"…Now *that’s*  no fun! But I wish you luck in getting back to your WOE…it sounds like you’ve done a great job so far…don’t let a little craving knock you down!!! You can do it!!! Audrey 208/198.5/155

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For the past month or so, I’ve been fighting (unsuccessfully) the cravings that result from eating ‘legal’ sweets.  And it’s been worse since I discovered that Walgreen’s carries the new Carbolite Chocolate Peanut Butter bar and the Pure Delight bars.  If anyone watched The West Wing last night, I’m telling you, Leo’s description of his alcoholism was right on par with my sweet/chocolate addiction.  I, too, can’t understand (when I’m in the midst of the craving cycle) how anyone can have just one serving.  It’s like I go on autopilot.  The desire for sweet/chocolate turns my brain off.

Absoutely.  In my former life, I rarely had leftovers and I don’t have a clue what stale cake or cold cookies taste like.  I still can’t understand how people can keep ice cream in the fridge for more than a few hours or how they can nibble on a box of biscuits.  So we don’t buy the trigger foods anymore.  Leo got to me, too. You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. And for those of you who made it to the end of this post – thanks for ‘listening’!  :)

Hear ya, sister!  In the Stupid sweepstakes, I win, though.  After 2.5 years lowcarbing, I forgot that tomatoes and onions are sweet and I need to ration them.  After a vacation where I ate a zillion salads, I went nuts on the legal sweets.  One night, I stood before a box of Splenda and a head of brocolli and wondered how they’d make a snack. Then the little voice demanded to know what the hell I was thinking. It reminded me that sweet is sweet no matter where it comes from, and that my system treats the artificial the same as the real. Yes, Nicole, I wish you luck, which you won’t need for long.  The cravings should go away in a very few days.  In my case, I can now have my one square of chocolate a day with no consequences, but that’s after going cold turkey for two weeks. Hang in there, lady — you can do this! Cheers, Kay 232/144 (lowcarb since 98/12/26) maintenance since May 2000

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— read and post daily! rosie "A woman as she ages, can be beautiful, or she can be  thin."

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. All together now… "we shall overcooooooome, we shall overcooooooome….." — Rosiebint

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all! Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.   Over and over again, I’ve read posts claiming that sweet tastes will trigger an insulin surge and/or cravings, but I completely ignored them, thinking that it was bunk.  FOR ME, it’s not bunk. For the past month or so, I’ve been fighting (unsuccessfully) the cravings that result from eating ‘legal’ sweets.  And it’s been worse since I discovered that Walgreen’s carries the new Carbolite Chocolate Peanut Butter bar and the Pure Delight bars.  If anyone watched The West Wing last night, I’m telling you, Leo’s description of his alcoholism was right on par with my sweet/chocolate addiction.  I, too, can’t understand (when I’m in the midst of the craving cycle) how anyone can have just one serving.  It’s like I go on autopilot.  The desire for sweet/chocolate turns my brain off.  I was in the grocery store last night shopping for quiche ingredients and had wandered over to the candy isle without giving it a second thought. Thankfully it dawned on me that "Hey!  I DO have a brain and CAN decide not to give in to the cravings."  It took a concerted effort to stay on track and remember that I can gain control and eliminate the cravings by just a few days of strength and no sweets. You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. And for those of you who made it to the end of this post – thanks for ‘listening’!  :) — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

I’m exactly the same.  Chocolate and sweet things are my triggers.  I have no urge to eat them because I don’t think I would enjoy them.  A few weeks ago I was going through a bad patch and had a binge one night.  I felt terrible the next morning, it may sound strange but I started having a lot of gas the day after that binge — Jenh Life is like a box of chocolates.   Too damn full of carbs ! 280 / 258.5 / 140

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Now I on the other found that having a piece of low carb chocolate helped me with the "thought pattern". I could eat a bite of it and I Was ok. I wasnt craving sweets until about a week ago and thenI suprisingly got my period yesterday. Thanks for your honesty Nicole. I really appreciated your post Smiles to you, Laureen http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=175805&a=1279588

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Hey all! Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.   Over and over again, I’ve read posts claiming that sweet tastes will trigger an insulin surge and/or cravings, but I completely ignored them, thinking that it was bunk.  FOR ME, it’s not bunk. For the past month or so, I’ve been fighting (unsuccessfully) the cravings that result from eating ‘legal’ sweets.  And it’s been worse since I discovered that Walgreen’s carries the new Carbolite Chocolate Peanut Butter bar and the Pure Delight bars.  If anyone watched The West Wing last night, I’m telling you, Leo’s description of his alcoholism was right on par with my sweet/chocolate addiction.  I, too, can’t understand (when I’m in the midst of the craving cycle) how anyone can have just one serving.  It’s like I go on autopilot.  The desire for sweet/chocolate turns my brain off.  I was in the grocery store last night shopping for quiche ingredients and had wandered over to the candy isle without giving it a second thought. Thankfully it dawned on me that "Hey!  I DO have a brain and CAN decide not to give in to the cravings."  It took a concerted effort to stay on track and remember that I can gain control and eliminate the cravings by just a few days of strength and no sweets. You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. And for those of you who made it to the end of this post – thanks for ‘listening’!  :) — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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welcome back nicole! your right, YOU DO have the power to stay out of the candy — read and post daily! rosie "To the question of your life, you are the only answer. To the problems of your life, you are the only solution"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all! Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.   Over and over again, I’ve read posts claiming that sweet tastes will trigger an insulin surge and/or cravings, but I completely ignored them, thinking that it was bunk.  FOR ME, it’s not bunk. For the past month or so, I’ve been fighting (unsuccessfully) the cravings that result from eating ‘legal’ sweets.  And it’s been worse since I discovered that Walgreen’s carries the new Carbolite Chocolate Peanut Butter bar and the Pure Delight bars.  If anyone watched The West Wing last night, I’m telling you, Leo’s description of his alcoholism was right on par with my sweet/chocolate addiction.  I, too, can’t understand (when I’m in the midst of the craving cycle) how anyone can have just one serving.  It’s like I go on autopilot.  The desire for sweet/chocolate turns my brain off.  I was in the grocery store last night shopping for quiche ingredients and had wandered over to the candy isle without giving it a second thought. Thankfully it dawned on me that "Hey!  I DO have a brain and CAN decide not to give in to the cravings."  It took a concerted effort to stay on track and remember that I can gain control and eliminate the cravings by just a few days of strength and no sweets. You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. And for those of you who made it to the end of this post – thanks for ‘listening’!  :) — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing.

Good luck. And good for you for facing something so difficult head on. You’re an inspiration! .. Bridget M. CAD 2/94 LC 7/01 188/164/126

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So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing.

All together now… "we shall overcooooooome, we shall overcooooooome….." — Rosiebint

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They say the first step is recognizing that you have a problem.  I think a lot of us are addicted to something.  How else can I explain eating a whole package of chocolate chip cookie dough when I wasn’t particularly hungry?  Or over half a jar of peanut butter at one sitting?  Funny, doing LC I can watch someone eat desert and it doesn’t bother me much.  But I know what would happen if I were alone in the house with a lot of sweets. Not a pretty thought. BillJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey all! Okay, it’s time to fess up.  I’m both a carb and a chocolate addict. Shocked, huh?  I’ve come to the conclusion that artificial sweeteners are a trigger for me, especially when they’re included in chocolate.   Over and over again, I’ve read posts claiming that sweet tastes will trigger an insulin surge and/or cravings, but I completely ignored them, thinking that it was bunk.  FOR ME, it’s not bunk. For the past month or so, I’ve been fighting (unsuccessfully) the cravings that result from eating ‘legal’ sweets.  And it’s been worse since I discovered that Walgreen’s carries the new Carbolite Chocolate Peanut Butter bar and the Pure Delight bars.  If anyone watched The West Wing last night, I’m telling you, Leo’s description of his alcoholism was right on par with my sweet/chocolate addiction.  I, too, can’t understand (when I’m in the midst of the craving cycle) how anyone can have just one serving.  It’s like I go on autopilot.  The desire for sweet/chocolate turns my brain off.  I was in the grocery store last night shopping for quiche ingredients and had wandered over to the candy isle without giving it a second thought. Thankfully it dawned on me that "Hey!  I DO have a brain and CAN decide not to give in to the cravings."  It took a concerted effort to stay on track and remember that I can gain control and eliminate the cravings by just a few days of strength and no sweets. You’d think that after more than a year and a half of low carb eating, I’d have this down pat. LOL! And I do, but it just got a way from me for a bit. So it’s back to meat and green for me, with lots of good fats when I’m fighting the cravings.  Wish me luck – this addiction is a powerful thing. And for those of you who made it to the end of this post – thanks for ‘listening’!  :) — Cheers! Nicole K. 263/183.5/150 Low carb since May 1, 2000

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