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Hi Brenda, Nice to meet you. Hi Ellie, nice to meet you. I’m Brenda. I’d tell you all about myself but I don’t want to ride that roller-coaster again! You’ll have to look at past posts for that.
I may just do that.. my own story has never been really told in it’s entirety. Though bit’s and pieces have shown up here from time to time. [snip] I guess it’s not my place to just step in here and act like I have some all-important answer for anyone. I don’t. I just hate to see eveyone so hurt. I couldn’t even read a quarter of what was posted. It was just too much for me. And it makes me wonder what new people, and new insights this group may have lost because of another giant flame war. I try to stay away from it. There are some truly wonderfull people here. Carey comes to mind but there are others as well. Some very special ones too, like Sera. I barely know most of the people here so I shouldn’t judge. I try not to. It’s odd to find so much bitterness in a group that’s named "recovery".
Been here for a little over a year now… So, this is my "cyber-family" and in any family there are always arguments and disagreements. There are those that shine brightly, and those who, well.. I best not go there… Any way, this place seems to me (always has) to be a place where it is somewhat safe to release emotions such as bitterness and anger. It also seems to be a place where one can find friends as well as enemies. Anyway, for those of you who are new to the ng… welcome to AAR. May you find peace here. Well, I’ve worked on my issues somewhat and I’ve made progress there. So that’s good. I talk to my therapist about things that I discover here. Together they’ve been helpfull.
That’s good. My T generally says the same thing… It’s good to have this place. It becomes a link to the outside world at times when there is no other way. I hope that those of you involved in the flame war will find it too..AAR is not a place filled with heartless, unfeeling, uncaring people. Quite the opposite in fact. I hope that whatever it is that you came in search of is found here. I just want to stay away from all the fighting. I don’t like conflict so I haven’t even read certain threads. Its just a stupid fight anyway.
I don’t like being in the middle of such things either. It depresses me. To those of you who have been here and know who I am, I’ve missed you all a great deal. You sound like a nice person Ellies. Stay away from the fight you’ll just get sucked in. They’re beyond reasoning with right now.
I like to think so. As for the fighting… I always try to stay out of flame wars, but sooner or later I will probably get ticked off at the whole thing and say something anyway, or get myself into a flame war of my own. Stuff happens, people get triggered whether they want to or not sometimes. Welcome again to AAR… may your stay be a pleasant one. E. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ellies , , db db d8 d8 d8 d8 d8 d8 d8 ,d8 d8ppp, opppp, ,q88p, opppp, ,qppp88 ,qpppp" d8′ ‘88 d8 8b d8′ ,d" d8 ‘db ,d8′ ‘d8 ,d8′ ‘d" d8 ,88 d8 d888P*" d8 d8 d8 d8′ d8 d8 8b, ,d8 d8 88 d8 d8 88, ,88 8b ,d8′ "888*" d8 "db d8 db "888*’"b "88P*"b "Love makes you real" – The Velvetine Rabbit — — z z | z _,,,–,, /,`.-’`’ ._ -;;,_ |,4- ) )_ .;.( `’-’ ‘—”(_/._)-’(__) "Love makes you real" – The Velvetine Rabbit — http://www.GeoCities.com/SoHo/Nook/7680
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whoops, that should be… Granted you weren’t embroiled.. Granted you were embroiled in a messy custody/divorce at the time..–
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Morning Ellie.. The place.. sorry to say.. is not the same place it was this past summer. It’s sad.. One day, someone posted a rather simple post.. asking why someone would deny abusing.. afterall he had "proved" it.. they kids had bruises, you know.. he just couldnt understand why someone would continue to deny it.. Unfortunately, his post came at the end of another one of those same types of stories.. Someone coming here to learn more about how_these_things_happen.. I answered him.. because sometimes it isn’t true.. that’s why i denied abusing.. That’s why you denied it as well.. Granted you were embroiled in a messy custody/divorce at the time.. just an overzealous intern. Heck I wasn’t either when the accussations were made.. I wonder.. how many people are lurking out there, reading this group, who have been accused such as we were? I know they’re out there.. I hear from them every now and then.. It used to be a topic we could talk about here.. Not any more.. It’s what triggered all this nasty mess.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started reading the ng last night after being computer-less for nearly a month. I almost wish I hadn’t. At this point I’ve just deleted everything. It breaks my heart to see people that I care about hurting so much. Perhaps I missed something that I might have responded to in a positive way.. perhaps not. Either way, I walked back into a war zone, and in my eyes it is a terrible sight. There are new people here, whom I’ve missed greeting and welcoming to AAR. There are old friends I’ve missed saying hello to. And for what? Not because my computer was down, but because you are all so busy being angry ((MO). I, for one don’t care who started what. But I do wish that everyone would take a step back and take a deep breath before any more hurt is done. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do, but again, so much anger and hurt is floating thru here that no one seems to be able to see much of the good that is here too. I guess it’s not my place to just step in here and act like I have some all-important answer for anyone. I don’t. I just hate to see eveyone so hurt. I couldn’t even read a quarter of what was posted. It was just too much for me. And it makes me wonder what new people, and new insights this group may have lost because of another giant flame war. Anyway, for those of you who are new to the ng… welcome to AAR. May you find peace here. I hope that those of you involved in the flame war will find it too..AAR is not a place filled with heartless, unfeeling, uncaring people. Quite the opposite in fact. I hope that whatever it is that you came in search of is found here. To those of you who have been here and know who I am, I’ve missed you all a great deal. Ellies
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Hi Ellie, nice to meet you. I’m Brenda. I’d tell you all about myself but I don’t want to ride that roller-coaster again! You’ll have to look at past posts for that. [snip] I guess it’s not my place to just step in here and act like I have some all-important answer for anyone. I don’t. I just hate to see eveyone so hurt. I couldn’t even read a quarter of what was posted. It was just too much for me. And it makes me wonder what new people, and new insights this group may have lost because of another giant flame war.
I try to stay away from it. There are some truly wonderfull people here. Carey comes to mind but there are others as well. Some very special ones too, like Sera. I barely know most of the people here so I shouldn’t judge. I try not to. It’s odd to find so much bitterness in a group that’s named "recovery". Anyway, for those of you who are new to the ng… welcome to AAR. May you find peace here.
Well, I’ve worked on my issues somewhat and I’ve made progress there. So that’s good. I talk to my therapist about things that I discover here. Together they’ve been helpfull. I hope that those of you involved in the flame war will find it too..AAR is not a place filled with heartless, unfeeling, uncaring people. Quite the opposite in fact. I hope that whatever it is that you came in search of is found here.
I just want to stay away from all the fighting. I don’t like conflict so I haven’t even read certain threads. Its just a stupid fight anyway. To those of you who have been here and know who I am, I’ve missed you all a great deal.
You sound like a nice person Ellies. Stay away from the fight you’ll just get sucked in. They’re beyond reasoning with right now. Ellies
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Hi Mary : ) You may not have noticed but my
job just went out the window because the funding dried up for "on-call" response to the hospital. < I’m sorry, I didn’t notice. How are you holding up, and what will you do? What will probably happen after I get the rest of my credentials is to
start my own business contracts. Do you want to come work with me??? I would like to work with abuse families and get some groups going.< Credentials in what? I would love to work with you, mary, but I rarely ever interact with people I don’t have to. I know that sounds awful, and I don’t mean it to. Would it be something I could do for you here at home? I’m happy to help anyway you need. This has been a stressful, but satisfying time of my life. The graduate
school is actually fun and so far straight A’s.< I envy you so much, Mary. I want so much to go back to school, and you are so brave for doing it yourself. I don’t know if I will
pull it off next semester with four classes. (Psychometrics for one). I did Ace my research classes so maybe it won’t be as hard as I think< What’s Psychometrics? She is from
Mexico City and cooks the most wonderful traditional food.< Yum…send her over here. My greatest weakness is mexican food. : ) If you need to slip away during your family gathering,
come over here. Mary< Oh golly, you doll. {{{{Mary}}}} I wish I could, just get me and Lyle and the kids and come over to your house. We could all use a grandmother to go home to. I’m e mailing you my phone number in case you too get antsy during the holidays. I’m usually available after ten pm with undivided attention.
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Hi Mary : ) You may not have noticed but my job just went out the window because the funding dried up for "on-call" response to the hospital. < I’m sorry, I didn’t notice. How are you holding up, and what will you do?
It was a big disapointment because it was the perfect colleg job. I was on call 8 at night to 8 next morning and did not get many calls. I live 11 blocks from the hospital so that was nice. My professors would let me leave no need to ask. It wasn’t much money ($120 a week) but it paid gas and helped with bills. Now it is back to putting out my name and finding another part-time (I hope) job. What will probably happen after I get the rest of my credentials is to start my own business contracts. Do you want to come work with me??? I would like to work with abuse families and get some groups going.< Credentials in what? I would love to work with you, mary, but I rarely ever interact with people I don’t have to. I know that sounds awful, and I don’t mean it to. Would it be something I could do for you here at home? I’m happy to help anyway you need.
I am credentialed in Alcohol and Drug counseling. I have my Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner certification. I am getting my Masters in Counseling and my Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC). Also my RSOP. Registered Sexual Offender Provider. I may also get my SWA…Social Work Associate. Lots of years, lots of hours. But my gift is counseling and that was part and package of just what was given, the rest is paper to impress the powers-that-be. I thank you for your offer to help and I may be needing some answers to some things I am working on. My testing showed I am a people person but I have a great need for solitude. My husband is a great gate keeper and he is very protective. He reads me like a book and can tell when I hit the end of my tether. (Sometimes, I feel like I am walking three feet off the ground and need a yank to get me back on earth) Then he makes me quit studying and come play pool with him….where everyone comes to talk with me, all his male friends and the barmaids. We get everything free because the owner thinks I am a miracle worker and sends all his girls to talk to me! This has been a stressful, but satisfying time of my life. The graduate school is actually fun and so far straight A’s.< I envy you so much, Mary. I want so much to go back to school, and you are so brave for doing it yourself.
I would be surprised if you did not go back, Tenacity. You have so much intelligence, energy, and street smarts that will give you an edge over most people. I will continue to encourage you because I believe you have a purpose that will give you such satisfaction when you fullfill the education. I don’t know if I will pull it off next semester with four classes. (Psychometrics for one). I did Ace my research classes so maybe it won’t be as hard as I think< What’s Psychometrics?
Testing. all the different kinds: MMPI to psych-social. It is very challenging since you have to understand your limitations in what the results mean and how it applies to that individual. ADD is one that is coming into use even with adults. By the way, colleges are terrific place to get free testing because of all of us college students having to administer them. She is from Mexico City and cooks the most wonderful traditional food.< Yum…send her over here. My greatest weakness is mexican food. : ) If you need to slip away during your family gathering, come over here. Mary< Oh golly, you doll. {{{{Mary}}}} I wish I could, just get me and Lyle and the kids and come over to your house. We could all use a grandmother to go home to.
You would be welcome. We have lots of cats and I love to read to kids. (One time I read to my high school kids Edgar Allen Poe’s, The Tell-Tale Heart and they wouldn’t go to bed, insisting they were too scared to go upstairs so slept in their sleeping bags in the living room.) I promise I won’t read your little kids scarey stories, except maybe Richard Scary. Thanks for the offer about the phone I may call just out of GP. mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m e mailing you my phone number in case you too get antsy during the holidays. I’m usually available after ten pm with undivided attention.
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Hi Ellies, and thanks for your welcome : )
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Hi Tenacity, I haven’t tried to get a word in edgewise for quite a while, you seem back for conversation and I am interested in talking to you. How are things for you with the job and kids. You may not have noticed but my job just went out the window because the funding dried up for "on-call" response to the hospital. I have the heavy hearted task of trying to find something that will fit in with my college classes. What will probably happen after I get the rest of my credentials is to start my own business contracts. Do you want to come work with me??? I would like to work with abuse families and get some groups going. This has been a stressful, but satisfying time of my life. The graduate school is actually fun and so far straight A’s. I don’t know if I will pull it off next semester with four classes. (Psychometrics for one). I did Ace my research classes so maybe it won’t be as hard as I think. My husband went out and bought a beautiful real tree this year and I love the pine smell….I miss the Northwoods. We use to pick our own in the forests when I was a child. It is so funny about life. I loved my baby doll and played mother and dreamt of having children. I had eight kids, was a foster mother and dreamt of having grandkids. MY children got married and none of the come-home-to-grandmothers-house dreams came true. Yet, if I had enveloped myself in that I would never completed my education. I guess I will mother the whole world….my kids are in Germany, Australia, Minnesota, Oregon, North Carolina, Virginia. Christmas Eve Rick and I are going to my adopted daughter and her son’s house. We are deep frying a turkey and bringing a salad. She is from Mexico City and cooks the most wonderful traditional food. She has been such a friend and her son is a jewel. (age 14…and giving his mother a lot of talk now) If you need to slip away during your family gathering, come over here. Mary
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I am so glad to see a post from you, I was and have been very worried. So thank you… This time of year is not so great for so many. I am glad you are back. Sorry you are hurting. Sera – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started reading the ng last night after being computer-less for nearly a month. I almost wish I hadn’t. At this point I’ve just deleted everything. It breaks my heart to see people that I care about hurting so much. Perhaps I missed something that I might have responded to in a positive way.. perhaps not. Either way, I walked back into a war zone, and in my eyes it is a terrible sight. There are new people here, whom I’ve missed greeting and welcoming to AAR. There are old friends I’ve missed saying hello to. And for what? Not because my computer was down, but because you are all so busy being angry ((MO). I, for one don’t care who started what. But I do wish that everyone would take a step back and take a deep breath before any more hurt is done. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do, but again, so much anger and hurt is floating thru here that no one seems to be able to see much of the good that is here too. I guess it’s not my place to just step in here and act like I have some all-important answer for anyone. I don’t. I just hate to see eveyone so hurt. I couldn’t even read a quarter of what was posted. It was just too much for me. And it makes me wonder what new people, and new insights this group may have lost because of another giant flame war. Anyway, for those of you who are new to the ng… welcome to AAR. May you find peace here. I hope that those of you involved in the flame war will find it too..AAR is not a place filled with heartless, unfeeling, uncaring people. Quite the opposite in fact. I hope that whatever it is that you came in search of is found here. To those of you who have been here and know who I am, I’ve missed you all a great deal. Ellies
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On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, it was written: [by JustUs/Ellies] [someone is mucking about with my newsreader!] I started reading the ng last night after being computer-less for nearly a month. I almost wish I hadn’t. At this point I’ve just deleted everything. It breaks my heart to see people that I care about hurting so much.
Hi, Ellies, it’s like walking into any room – the first thing you notice is the loadest noise and wildest commotion. If you look away from that, shield your eyes from the flares, you will see lots of good stuff happening. You want to hunch your shoulders sometimes, but most of the shells are duds. d — If I thought you were sent by the Creator, I might be induced to think you had the right to dispose of me as you see fit. Chief Joseph, Nez Perce
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I started reading the ng last night after being computer-less for nearly a month. I almost wish I hadn’t. At this point I’ve just deleted everything. It breaks my heart to see people that I care about hurting so much. Perhaps I missed something that I might have responded to in a positive way.. perhaps not. Either way, I walked back into a war zone, and in my eyes it is a terrible sight. There are new people here, whom I’ve missed greeting and welcoming to AAR. There are old friends I’ve missed saying hello to. And for what? Not because my computer was down, but because you are all so busy being angry ((MO). I, for one don’t care who started what. But I do wish that everyone would take a step back and take a deep breath before any more hurt is done. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do, but again, so much anger and hurt is floating thru here that no one seems to be able to see much of the good that is here too. I guess it’s not my place to just step in here and act like I have some all-important answer for anyone. I don’t. I just hate to see eveyone so hurt. I couldn’t even read a quarter of what was posted. It was just too much for me. And it makes me wonder what new people, and new insights this group may have lost because of another giant flame war. Anyway, for those of you who are new to the ng… welcome to AAR. May you find peace here. I hope that those of you involved in the flame war will find it too..AAR is not a place filled with heartless, unfeeling, uncaring people. Quite the opposite in fact. I hope that whatever it is that you came in search of is found here. To those of you who have been here and know who I am, I’ve missed you all a great deal. Ellies
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Hey Kait I’m sorry u are hurting so much. but u know u would be missed. Please stick around .. the world wouldn’t be as interesting. hugs if ok shelayla Peace Light Hope Love It’s my time to Live. (Revenge was just a hobby)
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Kaitlyn I care!!!!!! hope things get better… shelayla Peace Light Hope Love It’s my time to Live. (Revenge was just a hobby)
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Spike.. You are one sick motherfucker .. the people who support your actions are just as fucking sick.. good-bye… the place sucks
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Kait; I think you have over-reacted to a misunderstanding. However if pat can give ppl a choice her or crisis. That can help explane this. Speaking of crisis and her pals, they told me i’m a big fundamentalist nazi and should chat with you, yes please if you wish. I figured if i talked to you now you will just scream at me. I have just noted Pat asking very upset survivors to do stuff contrary to their own well being, i really hope this is not the case with you. If you like lets talk. No kait, you can’t i have a million dollar policy on you and i don’t need more police troubles. I see you are going to see the doc, maybe we can talk at spike tomorrow? Kait i’m upset, but not with you dear, with others. Now, if ppl are not noticing the heart and soul of aar (usenet) is away. Has anyone thought that she is upset? She is here and helping day in and out, but she is a survivor also. So i have stuff to do. Panthers to hug. My marriage is on the rocks, work with and not against me and it’s fixed over night. (that and i prove why the ladies call me snuffy) Kait, you and i both have been so down before, if you are really sad and need a pal, you can call me. I have this thing where the fone company, oh wait nevermind, but info should be free, right. The only way i can get a divorce is if you refuse marriage counseling:-) Kaitlyn only do stuff you want, in your heart, be able to explain it and we will never have a disagreement about ideals or a serious misunderstanding, i think so any ways. See you after the appointment? Maybe if you had a better understanding of what’s up these days with me it may help? If you like, (((kait))) i’ll meet you there. If you want to kick my ass for not being caring or observant enough i will be there for that as well! I’m afraid to look at lix’s post’s. The only thing i always kinda liked about suicide, is that if the headaches got so bad, i could just kill myself, and that allowed me to keep going and fighting. That is the only reason you can share this dangerous idea, but cuz it’s so dangerous you must call and check for patches, updates and revisions. My fonenumber is my birth date but i sent that info to you right? I’m sorry if i hurt you, andy Before anything andy I wish you will read this. It’s not a flame. I do believe you about the courtcase. I did call Liz on her telling you to kill yourself. I’m sorry that rosee hurt you, and I’m also sorry you hurt rosee’s kid. You want a divorce? OK, I’ll do you one better, I’ll make you a widower. No more killfile for anyone, just for me. ((((((((((((Andy))))))))))))))) Kaitlyn 
i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself. you know me, you must not expect me to not fight back, your best tactic is to say spike is very serious about some stuff, be careful and not get involved. BE CLEAR, TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. JAMES ATTACKING LADIES WILL BE ADDRESSED. spike ps if you keep me on kill file like you say, it may be easier to heal and do recovery. just think down the road, this is best for survivors and that is all i care about. Not abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about now, or the last time you saw me. I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday). I have been so hurt these past few days. Yes I know many have been hurting much longer than that, but that is them and this is me. I need to say something for myself. There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the past few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him and others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and others on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my killfile because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were causing. I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the waring has calmed down, and so I took those people off of killfile. I read a post to me from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. I care for so many people on both sides of the flames. I also see some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been able to get past those run-ins. But the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely that I didn’t believe him. When I told spike that I had to put him in my killfile, he came back with "I want a divorce". I guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as strong as I thought it to be, and that hurts me more than anything. I guess I have no clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a clue in the first place. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long. Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at: Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/ — A caring post from lix bateman. Organization: chat rooms? ppl like james tolson log your words, lix bateman uses this info for her "fun." Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery spike says: If you have a problem with me, it could be this. Those who fail to learn from history are set to repeat it. Views of the past lis…..isn’t that what you told jean’s friend andre to do???? Something that you told greg similarily? Don’t you ever learn? Panther spike…do us all a favor, why don’t you? Go in the bathroom, grab a bottle of whatever meds you stopped taking, take them all at once and swallow a couple of bottles of vodka afterward? <awaiting newest screw up Go spike, do it now.
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Hi Kaitlyn; Panther is not to blame for my insensitivity to issues. It’s my fault. The only thing that changed is i will be careful of who i help and what i tell. Ppl should think about time spike got smart. I’m sorry if i have hurt you. I can try and make it up to you. Take care, spike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh yes and you have Panther to thank for any misunderstanding YOU had/have in reguards to this whole mess. Kaitlyn Hi Kait; I think you have over-reacted to a misunderstanding. I over reacted? ME? What misunderstanding? Your own words are below "i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself." These are how you really feel. Don’t go put the blame on me. I wasn’t over reacting. YOU were. I didn’t misunderstand what you wrote above. YOU misunderstood what I was saying. Don’t you dare try and put the blame on me Andy. I’ll not except it. You got your divorce, and you can have Pony Island too. I almost did something very very stupid last night and thank my Goddess that I didn’t, because YOU are not worth ME trying to kill myself. I’m SOOOOOO much better than you are. Now you will be put back into my killfile, UNLESS I decide to read you and make your life hell. Kaitlyn However if pat can give ppl a choice her or crisis. That can help explane this. Speaking of crisis and her pals, they told me i’m a big fundamentalist nazi and should chat with you, yes please if you wish. I figured if i talked to you now you will just scream at me. I have just noted Pat asking very upset survivors to do stuff contrary to their own well being, i really hope this is not the case with you. If you like lets talk. No kait, you can’t i have a million dollar policy on you and i don’t need more police troubles. I see you are going to see the doc, maybe we can talk at spike tomorrow? Kait i’m upset, but not with you dear, with others. Now, if ppl are not noticing the heart and soul of aar (usenet) is away. Has anyone thought that she is upset? She is here and helping day in and out, but she is a survivor also. So i have stuff to do. Panthers to hug. My marriage is on the rocks, work with and not against me and it’s fixed over night. (that and i prove why the ladies call me snuffy) Kait, you and i both have been so down before, if you are really sad and need a pal, you can call me. I have this thing where the fone company, oh wait nevermind, but info should be free, right. The only way i can get a divorce is if you refuse marriage counseling:-) Kaitlyn only do stuff you want, in your heart, be able to explain it and we will never have a disagreement about ideals or a serious misunderstanding, i think so any ways. See you after the appointment? Maybe if you had a better understanding of what’s up these days with me it may help? If you like, (((kait))) i’ll meet you there. If you want to kick my ass for not being caring or observant enough i will be there for that as well! I’m afraid to look at lix’s post’s. The only thing i always kinda liked about suicide, is that if the headaches got so bad, i could just kill myself, and that allowed me to keep going and fighting. That is the only reason you can share this dangerous idea, but cuz it’s so dangerous you must call and check for patches, updates and revisions. My fonenumber is my birth date but i sent that info to you right? I’m sorry if i hurt you, andy Before anything andy I wish you will read this. It’s not a flame. I do believe you about the courtcase. I did call Liz on her telling you to kill yourself. I’m sorry that rosee hurt you, and I’m also sorry you hurt rosee’s kid. You want a divorce? OK, I’ll do you one better, I’ll make you a widower. No more killfile for anyone, just for me. ((((((((((((Andy))))))))))))))) Kaitlyn i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself. you know me, you must not expect me to not fight back, your best tactic is to say spike is very serious about some stuff, be careful and not get involved. BE CLEAR, TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. JAMES ATTACKING LADIES WILL BE ADDRESSED. spike ps if you keep me on kill file like you say, it may be easier to heal and do recovery. just think down the road, this is best for survivors and that is all i care about. Not abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about now, or the last time you saw me. I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday). I have been so hurt these past few days. Yes I know many have been hurting much longer than that, but that is them and this is me. I need to say something for myself. There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the past few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him and others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and others on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my killfile because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were causing. I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the waring has calmed down, and so I took those people off of killfile. I read a post to me from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. I care for so many people on both sides of the flames. I also see some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been able to get past those run-ins. But the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely that I didn’t believe him. When I told spike that I had to put him in my killfile, he came back with "I want a divorce". I guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as strong as I thought it to be, and that hurts me more than anything. I guess I have no clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a clue in the first place. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long. Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at: Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/
– A caring post from lix bateman. Organization: chat rooms? ppl like james tolson log your words, lix bateman uses this info for her "fun." Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery spike says: If you have a problem with me, it could be this. Those who fail to learn from history are set to repeat it. Views of the past lis…..isn’t that what you told jean’s friend andre to do???? Something that you told greg similarily? Don’t you ever learn? Panther
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Hi Kait; So what happened at the doctors? I am starting to feel i must start going my own way. I want to help survivors and first nations ppl in canada. I am sure i have said that, i am now very concerned about what ppl expect from me. What happens as this now, the rosseau matter goes through the courts, do my fellow survivors help the perps? That two years at rosseau has not gotten into the public domain, i must now think long and hard about what i do now. The thing is i am in the strongest position i have ever been in and if ppl with to walk away, i must let them. I can live with you being angry with me. I’m sad but i will survive. What is important to me is not important to you, there is nothing sad about that and no one should be upset. But i don’t answer to anyone, and i sure don’t wish to have to explain everything about rosseau in court and then to ppl here, so i won’t. I will do it one last time about my last victory in court and show just what is important to me as some don’t know and that is what is my only regret. Which i will fix. Take care, spike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Kait; I think you have over-reacted to a misunderstanding. I over reacted? ME? What misunderstanding? Your own words are below "i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself." These are how you really feel. Don’t go put the blame on me. I wasn’t over reacting. YOU were. I didn’t misunderstand what you wrote above. YOU misunderstood what I was saying. Don’t you dare try and put the blame on me Andy. I’ll not except it. You got your divorce, and you can have Pony Island too. I almost did something very very stupid last night and thank my Goddess that I didn’t, because YOU are not worth ME trying to kill myself. I’m SOOOOOO much better than you are. Now you will be put back into my killfile, UNLESS I decide to read you and make your life hell. Kaitlyn However if pat can give ppl a choice her or crisis. That can help explane this. Speaking of crisis and her pals, they told me i’m a big fundamentalist nazi and should chat with you, yes please if you wish. I figured if i talked to you now you will just scream at me. I have just noted Pat asking very upset survivors to do stuff contrary to their own well being, i really hope this is not the case with you. If you like lets talk. No kait, you can’t i have a million dollar policy on you and i don’t need more police troubles. I see you are going to see the doc, maybe we can talk at spike tomorrow? Kait i’m upset, but not with you dear, with others. Now, if ppl are not noticing the heart and soul of aar (usenet) is away. Has anyone thought that she is upset? She is here and helping day in and out, but she is a survivor also. So i have stuff to do. Panthers to hug. My marriage is on the rocks, work with and not against me and it’s fixed over night. (that and i prove why the ladies call me snuffy) Kait, you and i both have been so down before, if you are really sad and need a pal, you can call me. I have this thing where the fone company, oh wait nevermind, but info should be free, right. The only way i can get a divorce is if you refuse marriage counseling:-) Kaitlyn only do stuff you want, in your heart, be able to explain it and we will never have a disagreement about ideals or a serious misunderstanding, i think so any ways. See you after the appointment? Maybe if you had a better understanding of what’s up these days with me it may help? If you like, (((kait))) i’ll meet you there. If you want to kick my ass for not being caring or observant enough i will be there for that as well! I’m afraid to look at lix’s post’s. The only thing i always kinda liked about suicide, is that if the headaches got so bad, i could just kill myself, and that allowed me to keep going and fighting. That is the only reason you can share this dangerous idea, but cuz it’s so dangerous you must call and check for patches, updates and revisions. My fonenumber is my birth date but i sent that info to you right? I’m sorry if i hurt you, andy Before anything andy I wish you will read this. It’s not a flame. I do believe you about the courtcase. I did call Liz on her telling you to kill yourself. I’m sorry that rosee hurt you, and I’m also sorry you hurt rosee’s kid. You want a divorce? OK, I’ll do you one better, I’ll make you a widower. No more killfile for anyone, just for me. ((((((((((((Andy))))))))))))))) Kaitlyn i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself. you know me, you must not expect me to not fight back, your best tactic is to say spike is very serious about some stuff, be careful and not get involved. BE CLEAR, TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. JAMES ATTACKING LADIES WILL BE ADDRESSED. spike ps if you keep me on kill file like you say, it may be easier to heal and do recovery. just think down the road, this is best for survivors and that is all i care about. Not abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about now, or the last time you saw me. I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday). I have been so hurt these past few days. Yes I know many have been hurting much longer than that, but that is them and this is me. I need to say something for myself. There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the past few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him and others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and others on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my killfile because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were causing. I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the waring has calmed down, and so I took those people off of killfile. I read a post to me from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. I care for so many people on both sides of the flames. I also see some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been able to get past those run-ins. But the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely that I didn’t believe him. When I told spike that I had to put him in my killfile, he came back with "I want a divorce". I guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as strong as I thought it to be, and that hurts me more than anything. I guess I have no clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a clue in the first place. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long. Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at: Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/
– A caring post from lix bateman. Organization: chat rooms? ppl like james tolson log your words, lix bateman uses this info for her "fun." Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery spike says: If you have a problem with me, it could be this. Those who fail to learn from history are set to repeat it. Views of the past lis…..isn’t that what you told jean’s friend andre to do???? Something that you told greg similarily? Don’t you ever learn? Panther
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ok crisis if you say so. i am a bit concerned about da big cat. did you get a link from her? take care, spike ps the one with the drawings. if not don’t worry about it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes I’m sorry if I hurt you, andy ((((((((((((((spikester))))))))))))))))) thanks…. you are no fundamentalist nazi – you are expressing pain, I understand that. But the direction it was going in concerned me. —– Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:38 AM Hi Kait; I think you have over-reacted to a misunderstanding. However if pat can give ppl a choice her or crisis. That can help explane this. Speaking of crisis and her pals, they told me I’m a big fundamentalist nazi and should chat with you, yes please if you wish. I figured if I talked to you now you will just scream at me. I have just noted Pat asking very upset survivors to do stuff contrary to their own well being, I really hope this is not the case with you. If you like lets talk. No kait, you can’t I have a million dollar policy on you and I don’t need more police troubles. I see you are going to see the doc, maybe we can talk at spike tomorrow? Kait I’m upset, but not with you dear, with others. Now, if ppl are not noticing the heart and soul of aar (usenet) is away. Has anyone thought that she is upset? She is here and helping day in and out, but she is a survivor also. So I have stuff to do. Panthers to hug. My marriage is on the rocks, work with and not against me and it’s fixed over night. (that and I prove why the ladies call me snuffy) Kait, you and I both have been so down before, if you are really sad and need a pal, you can call me. I have this thing where the fone company, oh wait nevermind, but info should be free, right. The only way I can get a divorce is if you refuse marriage counseling:-) Kaitlyn only do stuff you want, in your heart, be able to explain it and we will never have a disagreement about ideals or a serious misunderstanding, I think so any ways. See you after the appointment? Maybe if you had a better understanding of what’s up these days with me it may help? If you like, (((kait))) I’ll meet you there. If you want to kick my ass for not being caring or observant enough I will be there for that as well! I’m afraid to look at lix’s post’s. The only thing I always kinda liked about suicide, is that if the headaches got so bad, I could just kill myself, and that allowed me to keep going and fighting. That is the only reason you can share this dangerous idea, but cuz it’s so dangerous you must call and check for patches, updates and revisions. My fonenumber is my birth date but I sent that info to you right? I’m sorry if I hurt you, andy Before anything andy I wish you will read this. It’s not a flame. I do believe you about the courtcase. I did call Liz on her telling you to kill yourself. I’m sorry that rosee hurt you, and I’m also sorry you hurt rosee’s kid. You want a divorce? OK, I’ll do you one better, I’ll make you a widower. No more killfile for anyone, just for me. ((((((((((((Andy))))))))))))))) Kaitlyn : -)I am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. : -)maybe I will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. -)I : think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you : -)can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get : attacked and -)then be supportive to a person telling me to off : myself. maybe you just -)didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait : you brought this on yourself. -)you know me, you must not expect me : to not fight back, your best tactic is -)to say spike is very serious : about some stuff, be careful and not get -)involved. -)BE CLEAR, : TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. -)JAMES ATTACKING LADIES : WILL BE ADDRESSED. -)spike -)ps if you keep me on kill file like you : say, it may be easier to heal and -)do recovery. just think down the : road, this is best for survivors and that -)is all I care about. Not : abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET -)THAT YOU COULD : POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about -)now, or : the last time you saw me. -) -) -) -) -)"Prism Collective (aka : : -) I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back : on -) tonight (Sunday). -) -) I have been so hurt these past few : days. Yes I know many have been -) hurting much longer than that, : but that is them and this is me. -) -) I need to say something for : myself. -) -) There was a person here who I have been very very : fond of for the past -) few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. : This week I saw him and -) others doing some pretty hurtful things, : and I called him and others -) on their actions. I ended up putting : three people in my killfile -) because I couldn’t stand to see the : hurting they were causing. -) -) I come to the newsgroup and find : that alot of the waring has calmed -) down, and so I took those : people off of killfile. I read a post to me -) from Crisis saying : she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. -) I care for so : many people on both sides of the flames. I also see -) some good : posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post -) : self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been : -) able to get past those run-ins. -) -) But the one who I hurt : over most is spike. Someone who built me an -) island with as many : small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike -) to stop hurting : people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup -) except to be : the husband and child of another member., and then I’m -) accused of : not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said -) I : didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely -) : that I didn’t believe him. -) -) When I told spike that I had to : put him in my killfile, he came back -) with "I want a divorce". I : guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as -) strong as I thought it : to be, and that hurts me more than anything. -) I guess I have no : clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a -) clue in the : first place. -) -) None of you know how upset I have been this : weekend, did any of you -) care? Do any of you truly care about the : people who write here? I’ve -) been here for 5 years now, and I : wonder why I have bothered to stick -) around this long. -) -) : Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective -) -) Check out my Web Site at: Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/ — A caring post from lix bateman. Organization: chat rooms? ppl like james tolson log your words, lix bateman uses this info for her "fun." Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery spike says: If you have a problem with me, it could be this. Those who fail to learn from history are set to repeat it. Views of the past lis…..isn’t that what you told jean’s friend andre to do???? Something that you told greg similarily? Don’t you ever learn? Panther spike…do us all a favor, why don’t you? Go in the bathroom, grab a bottle of whatever meds you stopped taking, take them all at once and swallow a couple of bottles of vodka afterward? <awaiting newest screw up Go spike, do it now. — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: http://asarian-host.org/emailform.html
– A caring post from lix bateman. Organization: chat rooms? ppl like james tolson log your words, lix bateman uses this info for her "fun." Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery spike says: If you have a problem with me, it could be this. Those who fail to learn from history are set to repeat it. Views of the past lis…..isn’t that what you told jean’s friend andre to do???? Something that you told greg similarily? Don’t you ever learn? Panther
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Yeah! spike Press Release: Spikeco Location: World Headquarters Toronto, Canada. Reporter: Saabola – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes Hi Kait…. I just talked with spike…. Spike is upset and he asked me to tell you that it was all a misunderstanding. That’s the truth Kait. Saab Not everything that is faced can be changed But, nothing can be changed until it is faced. That goes for flamewars too. —– Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 9:50 PM Before anything andy I wish you will read this. It’s not a flame. I do believe you about the courtcase. I did call Liz on her telling you to kill yourself. I’m sorry that rosee hurt you, and I’m also sorry you hurt rosee’s kid. You want a divorce? OK, I’ll do you one better, I’ll make you a widower. No more killfile for anyone, just for me. ((((((((((((Andy))))))))))))))) Kaitlyn : -)I am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. -)maybe : I will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. -)I think if : you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you -)can be : supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and : -)then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you : just -)didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on : yourself. -)you know me, you must not expect me to not fight back, your : best tactic is -)to say spike is very serious about some stuff, be : careful and not get -)involved. -)BE CLEAR, TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR : SELVES IS WRONG. -)JAMES ATTACKING LADIES WILL BE ADDRESSED. -)spike : -)ps if you keep me on kill file like you say, it may be easier to heal : and -)do recovery. just think down the road, this is best for survivors : and that -)is all I care about. Not abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM : MORE UPSET -)THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you : are thinking about -)now, or the last time you saw me. -) -) -) -) : : -) I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on : -) tonight (Sunday). -) -) I have been so hurt these past few days. : Yes I know many have been -) hurting much longer than that, but that : is them and this is me. -) -) I need to say something for myself. -) : -) There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the : past -) few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him : and -) others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and : others -) on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my : killfile -) because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were : causing. -) -) I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the : waring has calmed -) down, and so I took those people off of killfile. : I read a post to me -) from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. : That was wonderful. -) I care for so many people on both sides of the : flames. I also see -) some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz : on a post to post -) self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, : but we have also been -) able to get past those run-ins. -) -) But : the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an -) : island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike -) : to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup -) : except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m -) : accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said : -) I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely : -) that I didn’t believe him. -) -) When I told spike that I had to : put him in my killfile, he came back -) with "I want a divorce". I : guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as -) strong as I thought it to : be, and that hurts me more than anything. -) I guess I have no clue : what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a -) clue in the first : place. -) -) None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did : any of you -) care? Do any of you truly care about the people who : write here? I’ve -) been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have : bothered to stick -) around this long. -) -) Kaitlyn of the Prism : Collective -) -) Check out my Web Site at: Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/ — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: http://asarian-host.org/emailform.html
– A caring post from lix bateman. Organization: chat rooms? ppl like james tolson log your words, lix bateman uses this info for her "fun." Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery spike says: If you have a problem with me, it could be this. Those who fail to learn from history are set to repeat it. Views of the past lis…..isn’t that what you told jean’s friend andre to do???? Something that you told greg similarily? Don’t you ever learn? Panther
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Hi Kait; I think you have over-reacted to a misunderstanding. However if pat can give ppl a choice her or crisis. That can help explane this. Speaking of crisis and her pals, they told me i’m a big fundamentalist nazi and should chat with you, yes please if you wish. I figured if i talked to you now you will just scream at me. I have just noted Pat asking very upset survivors to do stuff contrary to their own well being, i really hope this is not the case with you. If you like lets talk. No kait, you can’t i have a million dollar policy on you and i don’t need more police troubles. I see you are going to see the doc, maybe we can talk at spike tomorrow? Kait i’m upset, but not with you dear, with others. Now, if ppl are not noticing the heart and soul of aar (usenet) is away. Has anyone thought that she is upset? She is here and helping day in and out, but she is a survivor also. So i have stuff to do. Panthers to hug. My marriage is on the rocks, work with and not against me and it’s fixed over night. (that and i prove why the ladies call me snuffy) Kait, you and i both have been so down before, if you are really sad and need a pal, you can call me. I have this thing where the fone company, oh wait nevermind, but info should be free, right. The only way i can get a divorce is if you refuse marriage counseling:-) Kaitlyn only do stuff you want, in your heart, be able to explain it and we will never have a disagreement about ideals or a serious misunderstanding, i think so any ways. See you after the appointment? Maybe if you had a better understanding of what’s up these days with me it may help? If you like, (((kait))) i’ll meet you there. If you want to kick my ass for not being caring or observant enough i will be there for that as well! I’m afraid to look at lix’s post’s. The only thing i always kinda liked about suicide, is that if the headaches got so bad, i could just kill myself, and that allowed me to keep going and fighting. That is the only reason you can share this dangerous idea, but cuz it’s so dangerous you must call and check for patches, updates and revisions. My fonenumber is my birth date but i sent that info to you right? I’m sorry if i hurt you, andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before anything andy I wish you will read this. It’s not a flame. I do believe you about the courtcase. I did call Liz on her telling you to kill yourself. I’m sorry that rosee hurt you, and I’m also sorry you hurt rosee’s kid. You want a divorce? OK, I’ll do you one better, I’ll make you a widower. No more killfile for anyone, just for me. ((((((((((((Andy))))))))))))))) Kaitlyn i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself. you know me, you must not expect me to not fight back, your best tactic is to say spike is very serious about some stuff, be careful and not get involved. BE CLEAR, TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. JAMES ATTACKING LADIES WILL BE ADDRESSED. spike ps if you keep me on kill file like you say, it may be easier to heal and do recovery. just think down the road, this is best for survivors and that is all i care about. Not abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about now, or the last time you saw me. I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday). I have been so hurt these past few days. Yes I know many have been hurting much longer than that, but that is them and this is me. I need to say something for myself. There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the past few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him and others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and others on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my killfile because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were causing. I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the waring has calmed down, and so I took those people off of killfile. I read a post to me from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. I care for so many people on both sides of the flames. I also see some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been able to get past those run-ins. But the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely that I didn’t believe him. When I told spike that I had to put him in my killfile, he came back with "I want a divorce". I guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as strong as I thought it to be, and that hurts me more than anything. I guess I have no clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a clue in the first place. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long. Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at: Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/
– A caring post from lix bateman. Organization: chat rooms? ppl like james tolson log your words, lix bateman uses this info for her "fun." Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery spike says: If you have a problem with me, it could be this. Those who fail to learn from history are set to repeat it. Views of the past lis…..isn’t that what you told jean’s friend andre to do???? Something that you told greg similarily? Don’t you ever learn? Panther
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – spike…do us all a favor, why don’t you? Go in the bathroom, grab a bottle of whatever meds you stopped taking, take them all at once and swallow a couple of bottles of vodka afterward? <awaiting newest screw up Go spike, do it now.
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Kait….debster here I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday).
I just got home from 4 glorious days on the beach…wow…what incredible power that place has. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long.
I care……I do…..HEY…I’ve been here five years too…wow…. KAIT KAIT KAIT…..I’m so sorry you’re hurting how can I help?? deb
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God Kaitlyn, don’t feel like that. No one involved is worth doing that over. Hang in there…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before anything andy I wish you will read this. It’s not a flame. I do believe you about the courtcase. I did call Liz on her telling you to kill yourself. I’m sorry that rosee hurt you, and I’m also sorry you hurt rosee’s kid. You want a divorce? OK, I’ll do you one better, I’ll make you a widower. No more killfile for anyone, just for me. ((((((((((((Andy))))))))))))))) Kaitlyn i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself. you know me, you must not expect me to not fight back, your best tactic is to say spike is very serious about some stuff, be careful and not get involved. BE CLEAR, TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. JAMES ATTACKING LADIES WILL BE ADDRESSED. spike ps if you keep me on kill file like you say, it may be easier to heal and do recovery. just think down the road, this is best for survivors and that is all i care about. Not abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about now, or the last time you saw me. I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday). I have been so hurt these past few days. Yes I know many have been hurting much longer than that, but that is them and this is me. I need to say something for myself. There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the past few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him and others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and others on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my killfile because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were causing. I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the waring has calmed down, and so I took those people off of killfile. I read a post to me from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. I care for so many people on both sides of the flames. I also see some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been able to get past those run-ins. But the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely that I didn’t believe him. When I told spike that I had to put him in my killfile, he came back with "I want a divorce". I guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as strong as I thought it to be, and that hurts me more than anything. I guess I have no clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a clue in the first place. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long. Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at: Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/
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Would someone who has this wonderful woman’s real life phone number give her a call? I’m worried. You’re worried?! We were in #cave with her just before she posted this! We’ve already been looking for someone to call her.
And it was your best buddy who made her feel like that. SPIKE made someone feel suicidal. If I weren’t worried about Kaitlyn, the irony here would be enough to make ya laugh. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saab Suz. —– Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 8:50 PM Before anything andy I wish you will read this. It’s not a flame. I do believe you about the courtcase. I did call Liz on her telling you to kill yourself. I’m sorry that rosee hurt you, and I’m also sorry you hurt rosee’s kid. You want a divorce? OK, I’ll do you one better, I’ll make you a widower. No more killfile for anyone, just for me. ((((((((((((Andy))))))))))))))) Kaitlyn : -)I am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. : -)maybe I will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. -)I : think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you : -)can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get : attacked and -)then be supportive to a person telling me to off : myself. maybe you just -)didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait : you brought this on yourself. -)you know me, you must not expect me : to not fight back, your best tactic is -)to say spike is very serious : about some stuff, be careful and not get -)involved. -)BE CLEAR, : TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. -)JAMES ATTACKING LADIES : WILL BE ADDRESSED. -)spike -)ps if you keep me on kill file like you : say, it may be easier to heal and -)do recovery. just think down the : road, this is best for survivors and that -)is all I care about. Not : abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET -)THAT YOU COULD : POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about -)now, or : the last time you saw me. -) -) -) -) -)"Prism Collective (aka : : -) I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back : on -) tonight (Sunday). -) -) I have been so hurt these past few : days. Yes I know many have been -) hurting much longer than that, : but that is them and this is me. -) -) I need to say something for : myself. -) -) There was a person here who I have been very very : fond of for the past -) few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. : This week I saw him and -) others doing some pretty hurtful things, : and I called him and others -) on their actions. I ended up putting : three people in my killfile -) because I couldn’t stand to see the : hurting they were causing. -) -) I come to the newsgroup and find : that alot of the waring has calmed -) down, and so I took those : people off of killfile. I read a post to me -) from Crisis saying : she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. -) I care for so : many people on both sides of the flames. I also see -) some good : posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post -) : self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been : -) able to get past those run-ins. -) -) But the one who I hurt : over most is spike. Someone who built me an -) island with as many : small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike -) to stop hurting : people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup -) except to be : the husband and child of another member., and then I’m -) accused of : not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said -) I : didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely -) : that I didn’t believe him. -) -) When I told spike that I had to : put him in my killfile, he came back -) with "I want a divorce". I : guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as -) strong as I thought it : to be, and that hurts me more than anything. -) I guess I have no : clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a -) clue in the : first place. -) -) None of you know how upset I have been this : weekend, did any of you -) care? Do any of you truly care about the : people who write here? I’ve -) been here for 5 years now, and I : wonder why I have bothered to stick -) around this long. -) -) : Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective -) -) Check out my Web Site at: Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective
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<snippage None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long.
Yes, Kaitlyn, we care and if you had been reading me you would have seen I answered that issue of your pain. But you aren’t the only person who has been hurting. Again, I’m sorry you hurt, but you aren’t the only one, and the constant assumption that some of us do this for fun, when you don’t bother to read or answer our explanations gets very wearing. Feel better…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/
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If I pay you a thousand dollars, will you go to school and learn how to speak English? The rest of this, there is nothing of value at all. Just more weird, out of control, needs his meds dwarf crap…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself. you know me, you must not expect me to not fight back, your best tactic is to say spike is very serious about some stuff, be careful and not get involved. BE CLEAR, TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. JAMES ATTACKING LADIES WILL BE ADDRESSED. spike ps if you keep me on kill file like you say, it may be easier to heal and do recovery. just think down the road, this is best for survivors and that is all i care about. Not abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about now, or the last time you saw me. I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday). I have been so hurt these past few days. Yes I know many have been hurting much longer than that, but that is them and this is me. I need to say something for myself. There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the past few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him and others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and others on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my killfile because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were causing. I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the waring has calmed down, and so I took those people off of killfile. I read a post to me from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. I care for so many people on both sides of the flames. I also see some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been able to get past those run-ins. But the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely that I didn’t believe him. When I told spike that I had to put him in my killfile, he came back with "I want a divorce". I guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as strong as I thought it to be, and that hurts me more than anything. I guess I have no clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a clue in the first place. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long. Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at:
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Kaitlyn, yes i do care about people here. And yes, I do care that you are hurting. polly wog I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday). I have been so hurt these past few days. Yes I know many have been hurting much longer than that, but that is them and this is me. I need to say something for myself. There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the past few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him and others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and others on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my killfile because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were causing. I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the waring has calmed down, and so I took those people off of killfile. I read a post to me from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. I care for so many people on both sides of the flames. I also see some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been able to get past those run-ins. But the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely that I didn’t believe him. When I told spike that I had to put him in my killfile, he came back with "I want a divorce". I guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as strong as I thought it to be, and that hurts me more than anything. I guess I have no clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a clue in the first place. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long. Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/prismcollective/ and the greatest of these is love
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i am hurt that you watched me struggle and get called names. maybe i will get over it, martin kruse and french andy can’t. i think if you look my reason for my divorce is legal, non support. you can be supportive or silent but not be silent watching me get attacked and then be supportive to a person telling me to off myself. maybe you just didn’t know? maybe others will learn. kait you brought this on yourself. you know me, you must not expect me to not fight back, your best tactic is to say spike is very serious about some stuff, be careful and not get involved. BE CLEAR, TELLING PPL TO KILL THEIR SELVES IS WRONG. JAMES ATTACKING LADIES WILL BE ADDRESSED. spike ps if you keep me on kill file like you say, it may be easier to heal and do recovery. just think down the road, this is best for survivors and that is all i care about. Not abusers not fair-weather pals. I AM MORE UPSET THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE. That would explain what you are thinking about now, or the last time you saw me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I turned off the computer thrusday night and just turned it back on tonight (Sunday). I have been so hurt these past few days. Yes I know many have been hurting much longer than that, but that is them and this is me. I need to say something for myself. There was a person here who I have been very very fond of for the past few years. Fond enough to call him Hubby. This week I saw him and others doing some pretty hurtful things, and I called him and others on their actions. I ended up putting three people in my killfile because I couldn’t stand to see the hurting they were causing. I come to the newsgroup and find that alot of the waring has calmed down, and so I took those people off of killfile. I read a post to me from Crisis saying she is sorry for hurting me. That was wonderful. I care for so many people on both sides of the flames. I also see some good posts from Liz, but I still have Liz on a post to post self-killfile. I have had my run-ins with Liz, but we have also been able to get past those run-ins. But the one who I hurt over most is spike. Someone who built me an island with as many small ponies that I wish to have. I asked spike to stop hurting people who have nothing to do with this newsgroup except to be the husband and child of another member., and then I’m accused of not believing that spike won his court trial. I never said I didn’t believe him. But time and time again it was stated falsely that I didn’t believe him. When I told spike that I had to put him in my killfile, he came back with "I want a divorce". I guess my friendship with spike wasn’t as strong as I thought it to be, and that hurts me more than anything. I guess I have no clue what true friendship is. Maybe I never had a clue in the first place. None of you know how upset I have been this weekend, did any of you care? Do any of you truly care about the people who write here? I’ve been here for 5 years now, and I wonder why I have bothered to stick around this long. Kaitlyn of the Prism Collective Check out my Web Site at:
– A caring post from lix bateman. Organization: chat rooms? ppl like james tolson log your words, lix bateman uses this info for her "fun." Newsgroups: alt.abuse.recovery spike says: If you have a problem with me, it could be this. Those who fail to learn from history are set to repeat it. Views of the past lis…..isn’t that what you told jean’s friend andre to do???? Something that you told greg similarily? Don’t you ever learn? Panther
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – spike…do us all a favor, why don’t you? Go in the bathroom, grab a bottle of whatever meds you stopped taking, take them all at once and swallow a couple of bottles of vodka afterward? see what happens to ppl like me? click here do it now! Go spike, do it now.
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(( I am glad that your daughter is okay, that had to be terrifying when told she had been hit by a car. I know it can be tough to deal with teenagers, but when it comes to drugs, you need to deal a firm hand. One thing you should do is forbid your sister in your house, what she pulled is really bad. Is there any help you can get your son? Drug counseling, perhaps at his school? I hope you have a much better week, I`ll be thinking of you!! {{{{{Carol}}}}} Jackie ~My lifetime friends I find,are as the pebbles I have collected from the beach.Each one beautiful in its own way,wonderful to hold and each unique. When viewed together in a crystal bowl, there are one or two that appear as pure gems in my collection 
Ray – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi ASAP.. Sorry that I’ve not been around much this weekend.. First of all my back has not been too good so I’ve spent a lot of time resting.. Well ..resting when I could! My 15 yr old son is giving me a lot of heartache at the moment and has certainly not let up any over this weekend.. He is rebelling in a very big way..He is dabbling in drugs right under my nose and to top it all yesterday my younger sister (she is 35!) was here at OUR house asking my son to get some for her!! I just stood there in absolute dumbfounded amazement and let it happen.. I just couldnt believe what was going on.. I have been in a kind of zombie mode all weekend.. Nothing feels very real to me at the moment.. It wasnt until Ray stepped in that my brain actually connected! I just dont know what I am doing at the moment.. If Ray had his way he would call the police about it all but it is just so hard to do that to my son..Logic tells me that we should but how the hell do I actually admit that I am failing as a Mum here..This is hurting me so much!! Regardless of what my son is doing I still love him so much and I am so scared of what he is getting into.. To top it all..my little girl (8 yrs) was out playing with her friends this afternoon when 2 of her friends knocked at the door and said Alice had been hit by a car.. Thankfully she is fine.. She escaped with a couple of grazed elbows but she was obviously very shocked by it..Needless to say so was I!! I just feel now as if my nerves are shot through.. I cant think straight and just dont know what Im doing.. Ray is suffering anxiety big time because of all of this and I just dont know where to turn at the moment.. I feel as if I could just sit and sob at the moment but I think if I start I will just never stop.. I have no counsellor that I can go to for help..Her advice was that I had chosen to take the sick road..I have been seeing her because of anxiety and depression and she has given me no help whatsoever.. If anything she has just made thing worse for me..I now have to wait ages before I can get another one.. As you can see..not a good weekend at all..:-( Carol.. Dear Carol Do you know what the biggest problem is mate… There is not enough nice left in your life… No fun, no real ENJOYMENT of you being *YOU*, no real help apart from the little bits I try and do for you, no SUPPORT except for here with your friends at ASAP and I am so glad you have found here and have come back to it. Your sister who I have given such a big chance after all you told me about her and I have been kind to her has lost that chance now as she knows what we are going through with your son, she knows of our illnesses also and still has to put the knife in. She is the biggest *A HOLE* I have met for such a long time now. We have had so many debates about our families and fought through some trash to be together, it stops now. I cannot carry people like that and see what she does to you and what she has done in the past. Do not worry I will not tell ASAP about some of her finer points, but if our friends here knew half of it I think they would understand some of where the anxiety comes from. I think ASAP understand why we have both been so highly charged with anxiety for months now, you did the right thing venting Carol, well done. I will *NOT* let people hurt you no more and do this to you like your sister? has. Keep posting here Carol. Best and a hug Ray Cross but supportive and full of love for you Carol GO GO GO Ray You two have trouble enough,without the dealing with screwed-up family members Live together and find your own peace