Choosing a trainer
Question:
HOWEDY roo,
References from others who have gone is one good way.
You mean like the testaments of your own posts? I also advise people to attend the first training class without their dog and take notes.
Take notes abHOWET what? DOUBLETALK??? Then go to last two final classses and see how many students remain.
And go again and again for the next six months, average. Most of the time training classes will start off with a high volume of enrollees. But often by the last class there will only be 3-4 remaining.
The Puppy Wizard limits beginer group classes to six dogs… cause everybody needs attention soon as they make a mistake. It speaks volumes *if* there are still many remaining.
That so? You know all the problem dogs will be remaining unless they’re like looney toon’s dog and get thrown HOWET before even startin!!! BEEWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! These are just a few ways of chosing a trainer.
marei’s dog Macul has been through four courses and maybe five trainers and the only reason she’s still got her is cause when marie went into the hospital some dog walker was handling her and didn’t DRIVE HER NUTS. Same same with melanie chang’s dog Solo.. was NORMAL when she was in Europe, was back on psychotropic meds in a couple days after melanie returned. Yes, asking around is a good idea,
Yeah. Ask peejoe where her DEAD DOG IS. Ask liea HOWE her former only friend is after Cubbe BIT her. Ask her HOWE it is Cubbe escaped the front door despite her clicker traing and SHOCK SURRHOWEND. Then ask her HOWE them two little kids are Cubbe SNAPPED AT REPEATEDLY. especially asking people who have good control of their dogs,
Yeah ask gwen honey abHOWET her recent TRAGICK ACCIDENT and ask perry HOWE Maggie ATE POISON soon as she left her alone and didn’t lock everything up HOWETA reach. as someone else says.
Let’s ask roo HOWE COME your own dogs need to be muzzled at the vets and aggress on small children and won’t come and have sibling rivalry fights and bark excessively and HOWE COME your dog’s brother was destroyed cause of temperament problems you was HEELPIN them with… and then ask HOWE COME you LIED to Misty and got her dog Peaches DEAD ON HER cause you told her The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual is dangerHOWES and INEFFECTIVE. It’s well worth going to the training class without the dog,
Safer, anyHOWE. not only to check out the trainer, and whether the atomosphere in class is one you’d want to subject your dog to,
Well, that’s pretty SUBJECTIVE, don’t you think, roo? SHOWENDS like you’re EXXXPERIMENTING with INFORMATION that you don’t know nuthin abHOWET. You could watch The Puppy Wizard trainin and you’d NEVER KNOW what was goin on cause nothin’s gonna LOOK right.The dogs are SUPPOSED to MAKE MISTAKES so we can TRAIN them NOT TO DO THAT AGAIN. SEE? EVERY THING IS BASSACKWARDS to what YOU think. You think jerking and choking and bribing and intimidating is training. That’s HOWE COME your dogs fight and are untrustworthy. also you get more from a class if you have some idea of what they do,
That so? BEWAAAAHAAHAHAAA!!! and why they do it.
You mean, HOWE COME we do what we do like HOWE we DO it? That’s EZ! Cause all behavior problems are caused by mishandling. Talking to the trainer about what you want to achieve
HOWE’S abHOWET 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY INSTANTLY. can help too.
You refuse to believe it’s possible, you call The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students LIARS and FORGERIES and you WARN folks The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual is dangerHOWES and INEFFECTIVE. That’s HOWE COME Peach got DEAD. Between you and ed w of PET LOSS dot CON…. Ask Misty. Go ahead. Some trainers have their own ideas of what they want you to teach your dog, and they don’t always coincide with yours.
Right. That’s on accHOWENT of THEY GOT NO METHOD. It helps to find trainers that know and like your particular breed of dog.
A dog is a dog. You blame the dog or his breed for your inability to train them. Some trainers here are very good with border collies, for example, and not so good with other breeds.
That so? You supposes it’s got sumpthin to do with HOWE THEY STINK? The label is perhaps not so important.
You’re a university educated dog abuser, so figger it HOWET. The dog only responds in predictable inate normal natural instinctive way to circumstances and situations of their envionment which we create for them. All dog and child behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, therefore we can REVERSE the process NEARL INSTANTLY. ASK ANYBODY YOU’VE BEEN CALLIN A LIAR OR FORGERY OR SOCK PUPPET, dog abuser. Some trainers seem to call themselves ‘positive’ just as a marketing tool
Dog training ain’t LUCK. The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student’s REPORTS PROVES IT. That means WE GOT SCIENCE working for us as VERIFIED in The Puppy Wizard’s Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) Machine INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIES by just turin it on and leavin it alone for all animals within 500 feet. Don’t ask if it works on SNAKES, cause they say snakes don’t have EARS… BUT THEY DO FEEL VIBRATION, which is HOWE DDR works to calm DEAF DOGS, to boot… . A good trainer (for me)
Is lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. You’d LOVE to learn some zippy routines jerking and choknig your dogs in paramilitary fashion and KILLIN the WONS that scare you. should be flexible,
Yeah. You mean, make EXXXCUSES for not being able to train a dog if IT doesn’t like food bribes or chokin? and able to adjust their methods to what you are comfortable with,
O.K., SCIENTIST. HOWE would you expect a CONSISTENTLY EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL TECHNIQUE to WORK if YOU SCREW WITH THE FORMULAE??? That’s HOWE COME your exxxpert trainers can’t train EVERY DOG just like EVERY OTHER DOG… cause THEY GOT NO GODDAMNED METHOD! and also be able to communicate well with you –
The Puppy Wizard trains dogs all over the Whole Wild World from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid, except for these gawd awful paper slippers. Don’t you just HATE them? not show off about how much they could teach your dog,
Yeah, in ten years… like k0deb’s nine year plan for aggression. but help you to establish a better relationship with your dog.
With your pronged spiked pinch choke collars and GL NECK BREAKERS? They should also be able to help you ‘read’ your dog better.
That so? You think dog trainers are psychics? It’s highly skilled work, at its best.
INDEEDY. Psychics are a lot harder to come bye than plain ordinary dog trainers, n’cest pas? The bottom line is
The Puppy Wizard sez dog training is PRECISE, AND HE’S PROVEN IT. ‘go with your gut feeling’
Yeah, we’re really big on FEELINGS here abHOWETS. about what you feel about a trainer,
You mean, go on GUT INSTINCT… into stuff most people don’t know nuthing abHOWET cause the EXXXPERTS ARE FULL OF CRAP AND THEY’RE HOWETA BUSINESS. IMO.
No, you’re opinion is that of a liar and a dog abuser. That is The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. NHOWE you got to get the heel HOWETA The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Forum. Alikat see Rug and Conor on www.infopet.co.uk
See Misty’s site for a picture of her DEAD DOG Peaches. Here’s a discussion with a professional trainer of 23 years experience recently started studing her FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 11:03 AM Grin, the wonderful Janet Boss told me I am not playing with a full deck if I believe anything the un-truthful Jerry Howe has to say. Cool, I never liked the jokers anyway. re —– Original Message —– To: Jerry Howe Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:18 PM HOWEDY re, : I go out to see wonderful sharkey, our love (really) the airedale known as Bull Dozer. He is having a calm day today. : Has he ever had a calm day before?
***They are becoming more frequent as I stick to a schedule and do the same thing all the time. : I look at him from the corner of my eye wondering what is up. I go to the gate, (Jerry says slip in quick as to not promote the forced "sit" behavior as it entices the frantic behavior)..grin. I move in, ready to slip in and get eaten, saying good boy, good dog, and Dozer sits. Darn! Blew it again Jerry 
. : It’s OK if he wants to sit, just don’t ask him to. He may begin to sit on his own for other stressful situations. Just don’t use any alternative behaviors to avoid properly working with the extinguishment process.
: ****Tonight when owner came over, he was sitting alot to see what I was going to ask of him. He is following on a loose lead and coming to my noises rather than me using leash. I am giving him time to look away, and think now. Yes I try to catch his action before and then make noise. He takes a moment to respond, but NO LUNGING today. Just talk between us today. : Also, any time you act tentatively will instigate the dog to take advantage of your fear. We do that in protection training to make the dog suspicious.
: *****Dozer is suspicious in nature to the extreme. Uses it as a game. : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I told Dozer he wan’t supposed to have to do that now, but he beat me to it. : Too bad he’s an Airedale cause he probably doesn’t have a tail. If he does you can "read it" and figure out what he’s feeling when he’s sitting there.
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HOWEDY Professora Daniel and Sunshine,
: I’ve decided to take Chloe and myself back to obediance training. The first trainer I used was recommended by my vet. But her techniques did not work very well with Chloe (prong collar training – similar to Leah’s post froma couple weeks ago).
Yeah. We’ve had some real horror stories come through here abHOWET vets abusing dogs according to their instructions in vet school. Behavior isn’t big there, and restraint for lab animals is abHOWET all that’s taught. Looking in the yellow pages of the phone book, there are 9 listings under dog training. Most of them are a good 1/2hr + drive for me to go to. Some have websites – but are either down or not up to date. Non really list what kind of training besides saying they give "private lessons" or something.
The Puppy Wizard trains dogs all over the Whole Wild World from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid. How do you choose a trainer?
That’s EZ! You don’t need a trainer. Dog trainin ain’t a physical skill that’s got to be learned at the heel of a master trainer like lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn or lying frosty dahl or in a four year Master’s Degree program like lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM ‘NO!’ into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer of the dept of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI came here to SELL, till The Puppy Wizard threw a monkey wrentch into his SCAM. I tried to find a "real" positive trainer but the trainers would talk positive methods then when my dog didn’t make progress they wanted to go the prong collar or shock collar.
Yeah. You even took HOWER dog Sunshine to dra mcconnel for a waste of several HOWERS travel time and MOORE than a couple hundred in fees and expenses and also you had Sunshine to the behavior clinic at Purdue and got sent to i ncompetent blowhards like we’ve seen right here on The Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Forum, bums like lt joel walton, booby maida, lying frosty dahl, uncle matty, captain arthur haggerty, all the traditional aptb types of lying dog abusing Punk Thug Cowards. The most important thing in selecting a trainer is to determine what method you want to use-
Here we’re mostly pronged spiked pinch choke collar and shock trainers. Shock training is probably the least traumatic. HOWEver, the dog DOES KNOW WHO’S BURNIN HIM. HOWER expert lying frosty dahl even waves her trainsmitter at the dogs to warn them there’s a SHOCK COMIN if they don’t start listening to her. I would not use any method that involves pain or punishment- and after trying over a dozen trainer
You passed seventy HOWERS in training class with every highly recommended trainer you could find, not including the time you spent with dra mcconnel and the behavior clinic at Purdue, that’s seventy HOWERS of training on lead in class with expert guidance, not cHOWEntin the PRACTICE in between "classes." I could not find one that did want to resort to punishment when the dog didn’t make progress.
Well, that’s what they got to do when they use ANY force, cause that’s HOWE COME dogs DON’T WORK. Trainers who got to BRIBE FORCE PUNISH INTIMIDATE and LOCK IT IN A BOX to avoid the behaviors they can’t train do so cause they don’t have the intellect to HOWETwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog. They KILL their BEST DOGS!!! It’s the SCARED STUPID, DEPENDENT, dogs that’ll WORK HOWETA FEAR or for BRIBES or "REWARDS." Wits End method available for free on the internet at www.doggydoright.com is all positive, does not involve punishment and works.
Yeah? That’s not according to HOWER DOG LOVERS. They tell folks The Puppy Wizard is a liar and dog abuser and HIS FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual is DANGERHOWES and INEFFECTIVE and PLAGIARIZED from BETTER BOOKS. You’ve read DOZENS of the "BEST" books on dog training and behavior Professora Daniel, and have participated on numerHOWES email lists and have done EVERY THING you could to cure Sunshine’s AGGRESSION problems… including dr dunbar’s and dra mcconnels and gary wilkes and karen pryor’s STUFF. AND GOT NUTHIN IN RETURN BUT MOORE PROBLEMS. After looking for trainers for over two years, spending thousands of dollars,
FIVE THOWESAND, IF The Puppy Wizard remember’s correctly, Professora Daniel. even more hours
SEVENTY IN CLASS, that’s not cHOWEnting the daily exercises you was asked to do, sometimes takin a HOWER a day, if you was FIT for it what with you bein a CRIPPLE and all, these past couple years. Thirty years teaching nursing in a university takes it’s toll on a body. Your original posts to HOWER forum got The Puppy Wizard BANNED from the "back room where anything goes" on the PRO TRAINERS HOT LIST." BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! You broke Sunshine’s aggression in abHOWET WON WEEK, maybe less, is that correct, Professora Daniel? of training I found Wits End and that is the only thing that worked to my
dog. HOWER DOG LOVERS TELL FOLKS that’s probably on accHOWEnt of you’re not really Professora Daniel and there IS NO DOG named Sunshine and this post of yours is another WON of The Puppy Wizard’s SOCK PUPPETS or FORGERIES HE’S BEEN KNOWN TO COMMIT. Either THAT, or you’re WON of HIS PAID SHILLS.
On 14 Jul 2003, Marcel Beaudoin opined:
What does disciple cad, HOWER THEOLOGICAL ESTHETICIAN, think Professora Daniel and Sunshine REALLY IS??? The Puppy Wizard thinks Professora Daniel and Sunshine are your worst nightmare come true… disciple cad. Hey Chris – have you ever considered emailing Jerry privately instead of posting your questions directed at him here?
So’s Chris… another NIGHTMARE COME TRUE. Chris wrote to HOWER forum that The Puppy Wizard’s Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bedtime Calming Technique worked for him / her the first time they used it on their new puppy and older dogs. Or, are you just trolling?
Yeah. Chris wrote in askin a other question and sayin "THANKS JERRY" for all your FREE HEELP, your method worked like FREAKIN MAGICK and I’m eager to follow the rest of your excellent techniques, like so many OTHER FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students have in the past, for which they got the same BUMS RUSH of lying dog abusing Punk Thug Cowards criticizing them as being FRAUDS and LIARS and tellin new readers NOT to listen to them cause ALL The Puppy Wizard’s POSTERS SHOWEND LIKE The Puppy Wizard WROTE THEM HISSELF! Well Professora Daniel, The Puppy Wizard DID in a sense, write ALL HIS FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Student’s REPORTS HISSELF, in the TEXT of HIS FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual which taught YOU HOWE to train HOWER dog Sunshine NEARLY INSTANTLY. SAME SAME SAME SAME for Charlie Wilcox. I wouldn’t worry about it. He clearly put the [Jerry} tag in his header (thanks Chris)
PROBLEMO! That ain't GOOD ENOUGH for The Puppy Wizard. The Puppy Wizard expects to see "NINNYBODY," like HOWE HOWER pal ed w of PET LOSS dot CON recomneded and was seconded by professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer, who COINCIDENTALLY KILLFILED marilyn when she wrote in sayin THE SAME SAME SAME SAME THING, as Chris, while HOWER good professor was in the middle of MOCKING The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy SA / Bedtime Calming Technique with HOWER DOG LOVER sindy SADIST mooreon of HOWER faq's pages at k-9 web. sindy BTW, has been BANNED from 2 obedience clubs for her animal abuse. Then Dr. Z, a pediatrician, wrote in sayin the same same same same, and cited the similarities as the method he advises HIS patients!!! so that people who filter on that don't see it.
WHO wants to filter WHAT? The Puppy Wizard's got the ONLY EFFECTIVE NON VIOLENT METHOD. You broke your dog Frankie's back, just like dippy debby did to her dog last week for the same same same same reason... you can't control them on lead. I think its been shown that Jerry both asks people to post here
The Puppy Wizard has asked only a couple of SPECIAL people to post here and tells them not to CONTINUE cause dealing with imbeciles liars and dog abusers when their dogs are TRAINED and they got no NEED to be posting to HOWER forum, is a waste of their time and they don't need the agita, cause they're not in this BUSINESS and they got no need for any MOORE GRIEF readin you sorry lying dog abusing Punk Thug Cowards defending breaking your dog's neck, disciple cad, or getting grHOWEled at by their own dog like marcel's dog does to him when he picks up the newspaper. (and I would theorize that he gives them directions on how to do so)
Actually, most of the "THANK YOU JERRY! YOU SAVED MY DOG'S LIFE - GOD BLESS YOU" posts are a SURPRISE, as The Puppy Wizard seldom NEEDS to correspond with HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students. and that Jerry considers this "his" forum,
INDEEDY. You got to get the heel HOWET The Puppy Wizard's territory. so Chris's posts really aren't that surprising.
The Puppy Wizard has never discussed training or rpdb with Chris. His/her post was a total surprise, as per usual. That they all SHOWEND like The Puppy Wizard wrote them HISSELF is NO COINCIDENCE. The Jerry tag is helpful and much appreciated.
The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL GET THE SAME SAME SAME SAME 100% NEAR INSTANT TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL. That's HOWE COME HE calls it "Mc Trainin." EVERY BODY GETS THE SAME FINE QUALITY. So, thanks from me as well.
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I've decided to take Chloe and myself back to obediance training. The first trainer I used was recommended by my vet. But her techniques did not work very well with Chloe (prong collar training - similar to Leah's post froma couple weeks ago).
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Here, Charlotte, This is what uncle matty's credentials are. Here's the expose done on him in the media, some investigative reporters got wind of the stink he reeks of, and put the record straight, just for morons like you. You get conned, and don't even know it. The guy is an incompetent dog trainer, with the sales program Cap'n Haggarty liberally dishes out in his fast hustle called dog training school. He trains some real losers. You can tell his students by the rhetoric, it's a little different than Koeheler's. The Cap'ns trainers still can't train very well, but they sure do learn how to sell endless dog training lessons. It's part of the trainers course, to keep the bread rolling in. Margolis just got that part down better than the training stuff, but that doesn't matter, cause he's going to tell you the dog is 90% good, and the ten percent has to be put down, when he's taken all your money and the dog is no different. Fact, Charlotte, just fact. Read it, then talk to me about qualifications, and impeccable credentials: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/98/28/news-lewis.shtml
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HOWEDY liea, You're a liar and dog abuser, like it sez in your posts below:
- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - I learned a lot by simply calling the trainer, explaining my situation with my dog and engaging the trainer in conversation. My veterinarian recommended 2 trainers with very different philosophies and techniques. I called them both, asked broad questions and was surprised by how revealing they were over the phone. With one guy, I'd told him about the 2 classes I'd tried and how they hadn't worked for me and my dog. I gave him a ton of information about what I WASN'T looking for. He listened and then got all chatty and told me what he does-- which sounded amazingly like what I'd just said had been a disaster. I enjoyed talking to him, thanked him and hung up the phone. I called the other number, chatted in much the same way, decided I liked what I heard for the most part, got her resume, and then, not knowing what half the things on the resume meant, asked here for a little more advice. I hired that trainer and liked her. --Lia How do you choose a trainer?
Jumping in the discussion here answering everyone at once--
HOWEDY People, Here's all abHOWET God - liea altshuller: You've got nothing to contribute to the OP's question, liea. You're a dog abuser and a liar. Genny and Sheppe never showed any change in behavior whether I was standing, sitting, lying on the bed or lying on the floor.
They probably tried to ignore you. With Cubbe it's another story.
Cubbe has turned on you for jerking and choking and shocking her. She shows a noticeable confusion whenever I'm lying on the floor in the standard submissive position- -belly up.
Sounds strange and unique to me, liea. Your dog is SCARED of you, liea. You HURT her. She'll stop obeying commands and will begin playing in a much rougher fashion, more like I was another dog and not her master and god.
You're a nitwit. We can play together on the floor as long as I'm crouching or up on my knees.
Don't tempt me... That puts me in a standard dominant stance, bigger than she is and above her.
You think Cubbe don't know when you stand up your bigger, but no matter HOWE you carry yourelf, you'll NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER, OUTWIT HER CAUSE THAT'S the nature of the beast. If she does start to play too rough from there (and it rarely happens anymore),
You mean since you've stopped hurting her on a regular basis as taught in your jerk and choke training classes, liea? all I have to do is tell her to sit or down, and I get instant obedience.
Amazing, truly amazing. What do you do to keep her from bolting out your doors or going through your fences and snapping at children and biting guests in your HOWES? My answer with Cubbe has been to stop confusing her with ambiguous body language.
Then get off your knees. I never allow her on the bed (she is allowed on one corner of one couch) so the problem doesn't come up when I'm lying on the bed reading (or sleeping).
Problem? The other advice you've gotten sounds excellent.
What advice??? I especially second the advice to give your dog obedience lessons.
Like the ones that caused Cubbe to start turning on you? Like the classes that got you to jerk and choke Cubbe on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar in order to walk down the street? It will improve your relationship and be a lot of fun.
Seems your dog Cubbe has turned on you and just recently snapped at a child cause they walked into Cubbe's SHOCK ZONE. --Lia
"Cubbe got out of hers in the protected enclosed space at the pet supply store after the owner showed me how it should be put on and helped put it on. It took Cubbe about a minute. I bought the collar anyway thinking that she'd get used to it, then later decided that I was getting good results with the prong and haven't tried it again since." --Lia "Jim trained Sheppe using praise as the only reward, a choke collar, and, on occasion, a loud NO or a roll-over. (Opinions will vary as to whether it was a proper alpha-roll or not.) Sheppe was a lovely well-behaved dog who adored attention, was nice on a leash, came when called, had tons of energy and spirit, was friendly to everyone, etc. Jim and I have been clicker training Cubbe. She gets food rewards, wears a prong collar for walks, and gets, on occasion, a loud NO. Her only roll-overs are for belly rubs. Cubbe has turned into a lovely well-behaved dog who likes to wrestle, walks nicely on a leash, does amusing tricks in the house (bringing back a ball, jumping over a wine rack), has a laid-back attitude, is great with children, etc. Different dogs. Different methods. Results based on the personality of the dog. All good house pets who make me happy."--Lia message Thanks for getting back to me. Normally we all give advice and never hear about whether it was tried or whether it worked.
You're full of crap. You've been hurting Cubbe since day WON and she's bittin your only friend and tried to attack a couple small kids visiting WHOM SHE KNEW. You recommend clicker training because your dog Cubbe scared the crap outta you for hurting her. You rely on shock collars because the dog won't associate the BURN with YOU.... that's HOWE COME Cubbe bolted outta your HOWES and snapped at a child a few weeks ago. The first thing you did was bought new batteries and asked us if we thought your should start HURTING HER AGAIN... remember? Cubbe Snapped At A Child She'd Been Playing With BECAUSE She Flashed Back To Being SHOCKED The Previous Day. Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times were when we first got her before she'd had any training and before we got the electric fence to reinforce the physical one. It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was horrible for us. She had a blast running free and chasing whatever she wanted. For us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we tried to catch her. Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday morning. It had snowed, and the streets weren't quite clear yet. Jim finally caught her when she was preoccupied with her head down a hole. For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on A leash. She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions. She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets intermittent treats for those recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free in the backyard. Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been working on them. I haven't been as good about introducing the variable reinforcement there, but I have been good about making sure that she's never tricked into coming into the house when she'd rather be outside. I always call her, give her a treat or praise and let her go again. So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't think I'm a terrible one. I say that because I'm about to ask y'all for some help in correcting my mistakes, and while I don't mind criticism for past mistakes, I am hoping you'll concentrate on what I should do now. Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time. I'd gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave when she escaped straight through the front door and right in front of our noses. She was still wearing the zap collar, but the battery was low. She gave a small yip when she went over the wire, and the chase ensued. We were careful not to scold her once she was caught. Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collar now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to come in when I went to call her. From her excited behavior, I could tell that she fully expected to be let out the front door again so she could have another fun romp in theneighborhood. I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's escapade that I keep checking for her every time I open the door. Later in the afternoon, she was much worse about coming when called even from the backyard. My specific questions: How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows when she's in a confined space and when she isn't? She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the backyard because the wire goes around the house and could zap her when she's near certain windows inside. If I let her get zapped at the front door with the zap collar, can I still take the zap collar off and walk her out the front door with her leash on? I don't want her to become afraid of the front door. What's the best emergency procedure if, god forbid, it should happen again? Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques? By this I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for Cubbe because she so obviously freaked when we used leash corrections and scoldings when we first got her. I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but we've come a long way since then. She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell? Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3 daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and were having a blast clicker training her. I was impressed with how ... read more »
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HOWEDY gwen honey,
How do you choose a trainer? References from others who have gone is one good way.
INDEEDY? You shock and choke and recently got a other DEAD DOG trying to escape your shock fence, gwen honey... I also advise people to attend the first training class without their dog and take notes.
Did you do that before attending your SHOCK COLLAR seminar, gwen honey? Then go to last two final classses and see how many students remain.
That's real scientific, gwen honey. Most of your pals here are shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collar and koehler fans: These are just a few ways of chosing a trainer. Gwen
Koehler's usefulness: Critique phase. Dear RPDB Readers At this point in the discussion of Koehler's methods for managing behavior problems, many humane questions have been raised and "debated" concerning the ethical use of brutal force in dog training, perhaps to the point where sufficiently clear lines of difference have been drawn, requiring no further elaboration. One area in this early discussion that still needs attention is the question of Koehler's biography; in particular, his military contribution. Many points concerning Koehler's alleged military service remain to be clarified, and these questions will eventually be answered. For now, though, I think the discussion ought to turn to the critique phase, followed by the presentation of alternatives to these draconian and outmoded practices. The critique phase will address possible technical shortcomings as well as negative side effects produced by the methods quoted previously from his book. Hopefully, cool heads will prevail, making this phase of debate more constructive than the last long barrage of name calling, gutter talk, unfair accusations, and bullying tactics. In particular, if Dogman and other Koehler defenders here on RPDB would refrain from such activity, I would happily read his (and their) posts and respond to relevant comments accordingly; otherwise, I'll continue to delete such posts without bothering to read them. --RDK "Who is cruel to a dog, is more cruel thereby to his own soul." --Will Judy View: Complete Thread (5 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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OIC…so THAT’S what we were having…a "discussion," eh? Then "discuss" this: GO FUCK YOURSELF. Talk among yourselves. for managing behavior problems, many humane questions
OIC…now we even have "humane questions," eh? You are absolutely the DUMBEST CLUCK I’ve ever heard on these newsgroups. have been raised and "debated" concerning the ethical use of brutal force in dog training, perhaps to the point where sufficiently clear lines of difference have been drawn,
Yeah, those "lines" ARE pretty obvious, eh? You, Joyce, Sandra, Buzzard, and all the other animal rights CUCKOOS are out there on one side, and me and all the remaining rational, lucid, experienced, and knowledgeable dog-people left in the world (a dwindling population, nevertheless) are on the other. requiring no further elaboration. One area in this early discussion that still needs attention is the question of Koehler’s biography;
OIC…you now want to know, what? How many women he slept with? How he voted in general elections? What "rank" he was in the military? Did he drink grapefruit juice or OJ? Did he part his hair on the right or on the left? Did his salami hang down his left leg or his right? Did he wear boxers or briefs? Was he kind to his mother? Did he prefer wine or beer? Did he suck his thumb as a child? All VERY IMPORTANT issues for a DOG TRAINER, eh? You are several turds shy of a full toilet bowl, Dogpsych, and if you have any part of your brain left, you’ll seek PROFESSIONAL HELP at your earliest convenience — while you still can. in particular, his military contribution.
Yes! That’s absolutely pertinent, eh? Goody! Then let’s get into the military backgrounds of, say, Barbara Woodhouse (Nazi sympathizer), Carol Benjamin (conscientious objector), David Dikeman (Mattel toy tank commander), Arthur Haggerty (commanded a battalion of broad-ass-marines in New Zealand), The Monks of New Skete (ran the French Underground into the ground), Bruce Fogle (along with a guy named "Hawkeye," screwed all the nurses in Korean M.A.S.H. units), Rex Carr (single-handedly took Hill 345 in the Korean War) Joachim Volhard (had a college deferment), Delmar Smith (smuggled cocaine back from Thailand, near the Golden Triangle), Brian Kilcommons (dodged the draft, escaped to Toronto, and sat the Vietnam War out with his college roommate, William Jefferson Clinton), Job Michael Evans (spent the entire war in psychotherapy wondering why he had three names), Richard Wolters (taught hand-to-hand combat to the Girl Scouts), Bill Tarrant (sewed uniforms for Special Ops Forces), James Lamb Free (carried Winston Churchill’s map sack) D. L. Wolters (founded the U.S. Army Signal Corps, but not in time to warn Pearl Harbor), et al. What a freakin’ DOOFUS you are…geeeeez. Many points concerning Koehler’s alleged military service remain to be clarified, and these questions will eventually be answered.
Who besides you and Joyce give a damn? Tom Brokaw? For now, though, I think the discussion ought to turn to the critique phase, followed by the presentation of alternatives to these draconian and outmoded practices.
Here’s what "phase" I think we should be in: The "phase" where I again tell you to take your fucking agenda and shove it up your ass. We’ll call it the ANAL PHASE. The critique phase will address possible technical shortcomings as well as negative side effects produced by the methods quoted previously from his book. Hopefully, cool heads will prevail, making this phase of debate more constructive than the last long barrage of name calling, gutter talk, unfair accusations, and bullying tactics.
Hopefully you won’t mind if I spoil it for you again, eh? You started this sordid affair and you’re going to get exactly what you deserve. In particular, if Dogman and other Koehler defenders here on RPDB would refrain from such activity,
I promise to "refrain from such activity" as soon as you: 1.) APOLOGIZE for the way you initially presented this topic. 2.) Go back and ANSWER each and every question that’s ALREADY been asked of you by several posters, including myself. 3.) Pull your fucking head out of your ass long enough for me to shove it right back in there again. I would happily read his (and their) posts
But not as "happily" as I would relish telling you to go fuck yourself. and respond to relevant comments accordingly;
There’s an entire newsgroup already littered with "relevant" comments, and until you start to respond to them RATIONALLY, I’m going to continue "happily" telling you to go fuck yourself. See: DejaNews otherwise, I’ll continue to delete such posts without bothering to read
them. So what’s new? Delete this: GO FUCK YOURSELF. You’re a freakin’ L-O-O-N. Get PROFESSIONAL HELP before it’s too late! But until you do, stick it in your ear. __ Dirty Harry Here’s some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5 seconds:" "The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)." Hanging "First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog’s most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab. Before the teeth have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground. As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended in mid-air. However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty. The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side. The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you THE REAL "HOOD" "If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would express his resentment of your efforts by biting, your problem is difficult — and pressing. "Professional trainers often get these extreme problems. Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then cultivated the resultant growth with under correction. When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected because it was incompatible
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Message 7 in thread – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Suopie) writes: The best thing to do is call the local Animal Care and Control. Most counties and towns by law require shade and water for a dog. Some also prohibit chaining a dog. THese people need to be ticketed if they are breaking the law. Babette Haggerty Welcome to RPD. Babette is the daughter of Capt Haggerty, my old friend and mentor. Bob Maida Manassas,Va
: THE Capt. Haggerty??? : Im impressed. Babette, Im impressed with your father’s books. Ive got all of them. : Terri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ries) writes: I am wondering if someone can recommend a good trainer that makes house calls (the city is Anaheim). While I don’t wish to pay a fortune I do realized this is not the cheapest way to go…. Not the cheapest but the info you get will be of higher quality than that of Petsmart. It’ll also give you a good jump start during the most important critical period in the dog’s life. When pup is ready for classes, go to an AKC sanctoned dog club rather than Petsmart. The clubs have higher standards as well as continuing education and seminars for their instructors. : For private training, call Captain Haggerty a well known trainer who was responsible for the early mentoring of Mathew Margolis, Baskin Dibrah, Carol Benjamin, Brian Kilcommons as well as myself. He is the "Sensei" of dog trainers and belive it or not quite reasonable in rates compared to many others. He can be reached at 310 398 4676. Best times are between 5 and 9 am PST and 10 to MidnitePST. : Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Manassas,Va Here’s HOWER good captain’s dog training school graduate booby maida, when he called The Puppy Wizard to beg HIM not to criticize his training advice. The Puppy Wizard advised captain haggert’s student / associate that HE would NOT criticize his postings so long as booby’s INFORMATION was IMPECCABLE and above reproach: — —- This "Red Ribbon Webring" site is owned by: CAPTAIN HAGGERTY — AFFILIATES/Links: International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP) Bob Maida Presidential Dog Training Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Laura, Better off to totally ignore him. Don’t give him the attention and conflict he craves. His mother was a prostitute and had no time for him. Father?? –Unknown. They say he was part of a migrant worker gang bang in the Fla orchids. He is under house arrest (this is why no one has ever met him) for molesting children at Disney World. Someone here needs to find out the name of his probation officer and report his online harassing. Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Herndon, Virginia Adopt/Foster one until there are none FORCE and ABUSE, no matter HOWE ”FAIR” you THINK you are being… Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior I just got on this list for the first time less than five minutes ago. NOW I KNOW why I have heard about Jerry Howe! He is that ASS that has his head there too but NO ONE in Orlando - NOT TRAINERS NOR DOG OWNERS NOR VETS have heard of him !!! He can speak of his experience with hybrids because it is limited to NONE! I can say that because NO ONE has ever heard of him. Can’t seem to find ANYONE in ORLANDO who knows him. Unlike Jerry, I research before I speak falsely, like he has spoken of Bob. Not only is he an ass but he can’t spell – it is BOB not Boob – that is what old people would call Jerry. Spent a week with Bob, he trains with lots of positive reinforcement and seems that everyone I talk to in Northern Virginia, including the Reagans (Nancy and Ron) are really happy with him. Can’t say the same for Jerry – Babette Haggerty Seems babette FORGOT: Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior The best thing to do is call the local Animal Care and Control. <snip Babette Haggerty Dog Trainer North Palm Beach, FL Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Oh Come on Bob, I just got on this list and this guy is hysterical! He is funny as hell! What a raving loon!! Look at the time that he is on the list. The middle of the day for hours and hours – this is busy season for dog trianing in Florida – OBVIOUSLY he doesn’t have any dogs to train. Bbaette Haggerty Hello boob, Wolf Hybrids do not make good pets for the average person. Says who? An "average trainer?" That figures. Wolves don’t respond to "average" training. Dogs don’t respond well to "average" training EITHER, that’s why the shelters are overflowing. And THAT’S why I’M HERE… They are high maintenance behavior wise, not always reliably stable (temperament wise) and still can be a problem no matter how good a handler or trainer you are. That is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of my EXPERIENCE and observations…But that would be consistent with what we’d expect from an "average" "trainer." My advice is stick with Collies or if you like a wolf look, get a Malamute. Why? You think it’s easier to MANHANDLE a mal than a wolf hybred? It isn’t. Malamutes also require a good dominant (but fair) handler, but are easier to manage than a Hybrid (wolfxdomestic dog) That’s why YOU can’t deal with the hybred. They won’t respond to FORCE and ABUSE, no matter HOWE ”FAIR” you THINK you are being… Keep the Wolf where it belongs–wild and free. A lot of people enjoy the cross breed, and there is NO REASON not to have one. I’ve trained many and owned one myself… Man has enough problems with canine familirus. No need to muck it up further by tossing wolf blood in. No boob. YOU have enough problems with dogs. Competent trainers do NOT. There is NO NEED to choke and force and punish dogs to behave. Your problem is simply that YOU don’t KNOW enough about dog training to do anything other than to CONFRONT and REPRESS dog’s innate, normal, natural, instinctive behaviors. That is what CAUSES other, more serious behavior problems as REPLACEMENT behaviors. That’s why you have to constantly correct and punish dogs for the first two years of their lives, till you’ve PUNISHED AWAY all of the undesirable behaviors out of the dog…they just keep shuffling around as you punish one, another comes up. Yours for responsible pet ownership, Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Herndon, Virginia I’ve got NEWS for you, boob. Choking and punishing dogs is NOT TRAINING. Don’t feed the trolls, malcontents and troublemakers. Killfile/Filter their posts out or ignore them. Don’t worry about the trolls, worry about the quality of INFORMATION you put up here… Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.misc Tonight Hurricane (explitive) Bertha is blowing through our neighborhood with rain and wind gusts to 25 miles per hour or more and the dog is outside yelping to get in! What is it with these (explitive) people? How can I see to it that the dog be taken away from them and given to a good home? Have someone steal the dog out of the yard and place it out of state. Don’t get caught. Bob Maida Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.misc In all the time I have been on the rec.pet groups I am shocked at your suggestion! You have encouraged someone to break the law by "stealing" this animal and that’s WRONG advice! Some of you have never heard of a trainer/breeder or fancier suggesting stealing a dog, however, you have never heard me speak to my clients. I have a handful (small Handful) of times suggested to people to steal a dog that had been obviously abused and mistreated. About four years ago I considered stealing a dog that Animal Care and Control would do nothing about and the dog was obviously mistreated and neglected. I stupidly listened to someone who said that I shouldn’t steal the dog. So much for HOWER good captain haggerty’s graduate student / affiliate’s ETHICS… Seems stealin
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I’ve decided to take Chloe and myself back to obediance training. The first trainer I used was recommended by my vet. But her techniques did not work very well with Chloe (prong collar training – similar to Leah’s post froma couple weeks ago).
From professora "CHIN CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP your dog" gingold: There has been some question raised here about the qualifications of Bob M., questions raised by a non-professional and non-accredited poster. In the December 1996 issue of the AKC GAZETTE (pp. 30-31) in a discussion of training, and specialization in trainers, Capt. Arthur J. Haggerty (a well known trainer who has trained dogs all over the world, including scout dogs [Korea], drug dogs [Hong Kong], security dogs [Mexico], police dogs [Great Britain], and movie dogs [Germany and the US--e.g., the Dogue de Bordeaux in "Turner and Hooch"]) wrote the following: "Specialization requires that trainers raise their level of expertise. … There are dog trainers, such as Bob Maida of Manassas, Va., who specialize in adult dogs. By default, however, Bob ends up working with a lot of aggressive dogs. After owners have unsuccessfully gone the route of less successful trainers, they go to Maida." Those who have met the Capt. know that he is a lot more likely to praise a dog than a person, and that anyone he praises deserves that praise. Avrama & Shomer P.S. I do not know Bob personally, and am employed by neither Bob nor Capt. Haggerty. I post this because as a dog lover I would hate to see someone ignore the expert advice of someone like Maida and delay seeking pro- fessional help because of the puerile postings of someone who should, but obviously doesn’t, know better.
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I’ve decided to take Chloe and myself back to obediance training. The first trainer I used was recommended by my vet. But her techniques did not work very well with Chloe (prong collar training – similar to Leah’s post froma couple weeks ago).
Search Result 449 View: Complete Thread (2 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Ries) writes: I am wondering if someone can recommend a good trainer that makes house calls (the city is Anaheim). While I don’t wish to pay a fortune I do realized this is not the cheapest way to go….
Not the cheapest but the info you get will be of higher quality than that of Petsmart. It’ll also give you a good jump start during the most important critical period in the dog’s life. When pup is ready for classes, go to an AKC sanctoned dog club rather than Petsmart. The clubs have higher standards as well as continuing education and seminars for their instructors. For private training, call Captain Haggerty a well known trainer who was responsible for the early mentoring of Mathew Margolis, Baskin Dibrah, Carol Benjamin, Brian Kilcommons as well as myself. He is the "Sensei" of dog trainers and belive it or not quite reasonable in rates compared to many others. He can be reached at 310 398 4676. Best times are between 5 and 9 am PST and 10 to MidnitePST. Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Manassas,Va This is the only article in this thread View: Original Format Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets, rec.pets.dogs.misc, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.rescue Here’s HOWER good captain’s dog training school graduate booby maida, when he called The Puppy Wizard to beg HIM not to criticize his training advice. The Puppy Wizard advised captain haggert’s student / associate that HE would NOT criticize his postings so long as booby’s INFORMATION was IMPECCABLE and above reproach: —- This "Red Ribbon Webring" site is owned by: CAPTAIN HAGGERTY AFFILIATES/Links: International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP) Bob Maida Presidential Dog Training Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Laura, Better off to totally ignore him. Don’t give him the attention and conflict he craves. His mother was a prostitute and had no time for him. Father?? –Unknown. They say he was part of a migrant worker gang bang in the Fla orchids. He is under house arrest (this is why no one has ever met him) for molesting children at Disney World. Someone here needs to find out the name of his probation officer and report his online harassing. Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Herndon, Virginia Adopt/Foster one until there are none FORCE and ABUSE, no matter HOWE ”FAIR” you THINK you are being… Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior I just got on this list for the first time less than five minutes ago. NOW I KNOW why I have heard about Jerry Howe! He is that ASS that has his head there too but NO ONE in Orlando - NOT TRAINERS NOR DOG OWNERS NOR VETS have heard of him !!! He can speak of his experience with hybrids because it is limited to NONE! I can say that because NO ONE has ever heard of him. Can’t seem to find ANYONE in ORLANDO who knows him. Unlike Jerry, I research before I speak falsely, like he has spoken of Bob. Not only is he an ass but he can’t spell – it is BOB not Boob – that is what old people would call Jerry. Spent a week with Bob, he trains with lots of positive reinforcement and seems that everyone I talk to in Northern Virginia, including the Reagans (Nancy and Ron) are really happy with him. Can’t say the same for Jerry – Babette Haggerty Seems babette FORGOT: Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior The best thing to do is call the local Animal Care and Control. <snip Babette Haggerty Dog Trainer North Palm Beach, FL Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Oh Come on Bob, I just got on this list and this guy is hysterical! He is funny as hell! What a raving loon!! Look at the time that he is on the list. The middle of the day for hours and hours – this is busy season for dog trianing in Florida – OBVIOUSLY he doesn’t have any dogs to train. Bbaette Haggerty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello boob, Wolf Hybrids do not make good pets for the average person. Says who? An "average trainer?" That figures. Wolves don’t respond to "average" training. Dogs don’t respond well to "average" training EITHER, that’s why the shelters are overflowing. And THAT’S why I’M HERE… They are high maintenance behavior wise, not always reliably stable (temperament wise) and still can be a problem no matter how good a handler or trainer you are. That is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of my EXPERIENCE and observations…But that would be consistent with what we’d expect from an "average" "trainer." My advice is stick with Collies or if you like a wolf look, get a Malamute. Why? You think it’s easier to MANHANDLE a mal than a wolf hybred? It isn’t. Malamutes also require a good dominant (but fair) handler, but are easier to manage than a Hybrid (wolfxdomestic dog) That’s why YOU can’t deal with the hybred. They won’t respond to FORCE and ABUSE, no matter HOWE ”FAIR” you THINK you are being… Keep the Wolf where it belongs–wild and free. A lot of people enjoy the cross breed, and there is NO REASON not to have one. I’ve trained many and owned one myself… Man has enough problems with canine familirus. No need to muck it up further by tossing wolf blood in. No boob. YOU have enough problems with dogs. Competent trainers do NOT. There is NO NEED to choke and force and punish dogs to behave. Your problem is simply that YOU don’t KNOW enough about dog training to do anything other than to CONFRONT and REPRESS dog’s innate, normal, natural, instinctive behaviors. That is what CAUSES other, more serious behavior problems as REPLACEMENT behaviors. That’s why you have to constantly correct and punish dogs for the first two years of their lives, till you’ve PUNISHED AWAY all of the undesirable behaviors out of the dog…they just keep shuffling around as you punish one, another comes up. Yours for responsible pet ownership, Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Herndon, Virginia I’ve got NEWS for you, boob. Choking and punishing dogs is NOT TRAINING. Don’t feed the trolls, malcontents and troublemakers. Killfile/Filter their posts out or ignore them. Don’t worry about the trolls, worry about the quality of INFORMATION you put up here…
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.misc Tonight Hurricane (explitive) Bertha is blowing through our neighborhood with rain and wind gusts to 25 miles per hour or more and the dog is outside yelping to get in! What is it with these (explitive) people? How can I see to it that the dog be taken away from them and given to a good home?
Have someone steal the dog out of the yard and place it out of state. Don’t get caught. Bob Maida Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.misc In all the time I have been on the rec.pet groups I am shocked at your suggestion! You have encouraged someone to break the law by "stealing" this animal and that’s WRONG advice!
Some of you have never heard of a trainer/breeder or fancier suggesting stealing a dog, however, you have never heard me speak to my clients. I have a handful (small Handful) of times suggested to people to steal a dog that had been obviously abused and mistreated. About four years ago I considered stealing a dog that Animal Care and Control would do nothing about and the dog was obviously mistreated and neglected. I stupidly listened to someone who said that I shouldn’t steal the dog. So much for HOWER good captain haggerty’s graduate student / affiliate’s ETHICS… Seems stealin ain’t really in booby’s NATURE cause he’s a COWARD, a DOG ABUSER, and a LIAR. He’s not even honest enough to steal when he feels it’s JUSTIFIED… to save the life of an innocent victim. Where does booby get such assinine ideas from?: "I FIRMLY STAND BEHIND BOB’S ADVICE "STEAL THE DOG, DON’T GET CAUGHT". YOU WILL SLEEP BETTER. Sincerely, P.S. None of the dogs I have right now are hot. West Palm Beach, FL The Puppy Wizard. <};~ )
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve decided to take Chloe and myself back to obediance training. The first trainer I used was recommended by my vet. But her techniques did not work very well with Chloe (prong collar training – similar to Leah’s post froma couple weeks ago). —– Original Message —– Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:45 PM —– Original Message —– Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:45 PM HOWEDY , I have a 2 year old mixed breed that has fear aggression- I expect all aggression is from fear. -he is very reactive ans I can not control him when he reacts as he can not even hear me. Right. That can be broken EZ if you handle the lead properly so as not to trigger the opposition reflex, and use distraction and praise to work with the aggressive or fearful thoughts. We tried classes, trainer, behaviorists, and vets with little success. Yeah. The techniques they teach are what often causes these sorts of behavior problems. There’s almost nothing you’ve been taught that will be useful for the immediate recovery of your dog’s temperament. I am so afraid he will get loose and hurt someone Ahh. I thought you were talking about dog/dog aggression. and I will lose him. That ain’t gonna happen if you follow all of the instructions in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. Do you think this product would help him? My Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) machine cures almost all animal behavior problems automatically. It relies on similar techniques as taught in my manual. The machine and manual work independently of each other, they prove each other’s work, you might say. We will be Kissimmee December thru spring There’s probably no need for me to work with you except through the manual and email and phone if necessary. It’s EZ. All you got to do is follow the techniques I’ve used for many years on the worst mostly working and giant breed problem dogs I could find, many with handler aggression. The training you’ve had may make it a little more difficult for you because you have habits you’ll need to break, even HOWE you hold the leash, and he’ll have to learn that there’s nothing that he can do wrong. Your only response to inappropriate behavior has got to be the brief, variable sound distraction INSTANTLY followed by prolonged, sincere, exuberant, non physical praise. It should take you about an hour to get a reliable come command. You should repeat the exercise four hours to install the come command as a 100% reliable conditioned reflex. Most of my students get excellent results in just a few minutes over a couple of days. I’ve seen aggression broken in ONE day by many folks just like you and your pup, without benefit of my DDR. You can order on my secure order page or call me at 1 888 BIOSOUND. Here’s my manual. Do all the exercises and ask me if you need any help. Jerry. —– Original Message —– To: Jerry Howe Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:32 PM Will let you know how it goes!!!–thanks for the encourgement —– Original Message —– Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:24 PM Dog training isn’t LUCK. You’ll do perfect or I’ll get the heel outta this business… Yours, Jerry. To: Jerry Howe Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:16 AM HOWEDY _, I got your message tonight and have printed your manual–will start tomorrow– Excellent. I am truly at my wits end!!! Me too, but not with your problem. This one’s EZ! Today he bite me twice breaking the skin when he was in a "rage" . He’s gonna be EZ. He’s not even thinking about you when he bites. He’s just overexcited trying to PROTECT you. That’ll diminish immediately through simply handling the lead properly, gettin the control and attention through the praise conditioning, and distract/praising his aggressive thoughts before he gets out of control. EZ stuff. Once when he saw another dog-ran toward the dog Sound/praise and repeat as necessary. Just remember to always vary the direction the sound comes from. You might need a helper to produce the alternate sounds in time. and pulled me down- In a couple days that’ll cause him to come back to you. -since I do not walk or move very well, falling down is a major problem as I can not get up without much help. He’ll straighten out in a couple days of EZ work. He bite me when my hand went close to his mouth while I was falling. Yes, but he wasn’t conscious of YOU, he’s in a fury protecting you. The second time was when we were going down the street- -I use an electric cart Excellent. You’ll be abe to handle him EZ like that. and a man walked toward us and He saw him before I did That would complicate and slow things down. and took off- In a couple days you’ll have the control to stop him after he’s started. -lunging barking and snapping again I got my hand within reach of his mouth and he bite me- That was predictable! -he bites what every is close. At least he’s consistent. That’s GOOD! When he is not in a rage he will let me doing anything- Of course. He sounds PERFECT. This is the kind of dog I’d go out of my way to get for myself… -take is food away, touch him anywhere, or do anything to him- Perfect. -and he will never even raise his lip but when he goes off he is in another world. Yeah, kinda like me… You are my last hope- You’re gonna be EZ. -he works to help me at home–he picks up anything on the floor, closes doors, picks up the daily paper and will stand to brace me when I stand up on my bad days. He sounds like a great dog! He waits for me to go out the door first and will wait until I call him to come in and close the door. He’ll learn the same manners when in pubic. He really helps me everyday and if I didn’t have him life would much harder. We’ll fix him up in a couple days of EZ work. But I know if we can not solve the "rage" problem Pssst! It’s already in the bag… he will bite someone other than me and will have to be killed. Not to worry, that’ll be past history in a couple days. Your method seems so simple It is. Just follow the techniques and ask me if you need any help. I’ve got all kinds of fast EZ solutions for any problem you could encounter. after all we have tried it does not seem possible to change his behavior easily- Everything you’ve tried has relied on bribes force and confrontation. -but I will start trying tomorrow. And instead of trying to force him to stay in control, you’ll PRAISE his first aggressive thought and he’ll move in close to YOU to protect you, not charge at others. He’ll learn FAST that you want the aggression and he’ll want to use it BEST for YOU, so he’ll do EVERY THING you ask the first time. I’d LOVE to have a hundred dogs just like him today. I use a Halti so he does not pull me over-usually! Right, but here again, you’re relying on some degree of force to control him. That will ALWAYS trigger the OPPOSITE of what we want, telling him to be aggressive, not to pay attention to you and your safety. Once he sees THAT, you’re gonna need a shoe horn to PRY him AWAY from you. In fact, when you WANT him to attack someone all you’ll have to do is let him see someone and gently pull back on his collar without sayin nuthin, and that’ll set him off… but have never used punishment, choke collar or any other "corrections" Good, that’ll make it REAL EZ to teach him my methods. I taught him all his tricks and tasks with a clicker and food. Fine. We’ll forget the treats and use the click differently for our puporses. Thanks for your help in advance- CONGRATULATIONS in advance… -I pray your method will be our salvation!!! No need to. It’s already DONE. Do me a favor? If you could keep a record of our discussions and your work with your pup, and send it in to the news groups I participate in, it’d be a great benefit and inspiration for others in the same or similar situations. Welcome to Wits’ End Dog Training. Yours, Jerry. HOWEDY People, This dog was biting his owner and being aggressive in general, TWO DAYS AGO. This is typical of the results my students achieve nearly INSTANTLY. You know, the ones our dog lovers call LIARS and PAID SHILLS and FORGERIES: —– Original Message —– To: Jerry Howe Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:57 PM HOWEDY _, I am not sure what happened but after two days Sunshine walked with me not sniffing, pulling or going his own way. In two and a half years he has never walked without his nose to the ground- -today he walked closer too the cart than ever before and turned to look at me every few minutes- -in past with treats and pleading he only looked toward me when I had a treat in my hand. It is hard to believe he has really changed so quickly. Now I have several questions–After one time with throwing the can he has always come on the first call- -do I need to try to set him up to not come so we can do four times in different places? Yup. You’ve got to generalize the come command to make it 100% reliable. MISTAKES ARE GOOD. You want him to make a few mistakes so we can get the sound associated with the command. I have not tried to call him off leash outside as that is the time he is does not come. O.K. You know to do the HOT & Cold and Family Leadership Exercises and you’ll have a perfect come command in a couple fifteen minute sessions. On the leash he came on the first call today even when he was starting to explore the leaves ect. Excellent. We discussed his penchant for eating leaves and dirt off the
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HOWEDY suja,
How do you choose a trainer? Generally, word of mouth is good.
INDEEDY! Your pal carol levie sez booby maida, captain haggerty’s East Coast Representative of fast doubletalkin lessons salesmen is pretty good. If you know other people with well behaved dogs,
HERE? NAME WON? ask them if they took the dog to obedience training and where.
Traditional bedience training often ruins dogs. So does clicker training. We’ve been through all this in the past. jayjay’s already been to a dog abuser recommended by his vet, if The Puppy Wizard ain’t mistaken. You’ve done your share of "professional trainin as well, haven’t you, suja. People at the dog park (if you have one close) can be great for that. Lots of times, local rescues and shelters have lists of trainers that they recommend.
Yeah. lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn is head of the EUTHANASIA DEPARTMENT at several shelters, and has worked for the defense in evaluating killer dogs. Ooops! EXXXCUSE The Puppy Wizard, she was hired by the PROSECUTION and blew the case for them. Search online as well.
INDEEDY! Master Of Deception blankman has a tremendHOWES resource on her evil website dogplay.com and her assocate sindy SADIST mooreon has a full list of rescues shelters trainers and books she recommends. Organizations such as the APDT
They’re the most HOWETrageHOWES of all the groups. They’re a flat HOWET bunch of dog abusers and killers. The infamHOWES captain arthur haggerty and cpt joe walton, booby maida, and their ilk do everything they can to defend their abusive methods pubicly. (not an endorsement,
That’s a good idea… just giving you ideas)
Your pal carol levie went to booby maida with her dog aggressive dog and got her dog attacking her instead of dogs… The Puppy Wizard CURED that same problem in THREE DAYS for Valerie’s Dal who’d spent 2 years in a SHELTER gettin beat up on by other dogs, and was nHOWE attacking her for trying to stop her and was becoming aggressive to her grandchild, and 23 DAYS for Nevyn with his two 3 y.o. female pit bull x kelpie’s in Australia. will allow you to search for trainers http://tinyurl.com/gvus or
The BEST TRAINER in The Whole Wild World training dogs all over the Whole Wild World, NEARLY INSTANTLY, FOR FREE is settin right here, stark ravin nekkid. Take off your shoes, suja. You know better than to wear them in here. <snip link to dog abusers association <snip horseshit Just FYI, I’ve known lots of trainers who were good at what they do,
NAME WON. but has really terrible people skills,
That so? Care to NAME HIM? so choose someone you can be comfortable with.
All depends if you can be comfortable with 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL withHOWE HURTING NOBODY LIKE YOU DO, suja. Suja
Here’s the Three Stooges again: HOWEDY People, Here’s our suicide clown contingent we’ve talked about before. Our pal carol levie has been an outspoken critic of Jerry and his teachings, instead favoring hurting her dog under the tutelage of our lying dog abusing Thug graduate of captain haggerty’s school of lying dog abusing dog training lesson salesmen carol’s history is replete with hurting her dog and being sent to booby’s competitor so he wouldn’t be holding the bag for carol’s dog TURNING ON HER, as HE DID upon finishing her pronged spiked pinch choke collar FRIENDLY TRAINING. As a direct result of mishandling their dogs we’ve got the gruesome twosome with broken ribs and out of control troubled dogs, who COULD BE NORMAL within ONE WEEK, if they’d simply learn to STOP HURTING THEIR DOGS to train them. The following accounts are reprehensible examples of abuse: HOWEDY suja, You all are probably aware of our ongoing efforts to get Khan to be ‘normal’ with people.
BWWWAHAHAHAHAAA!!! We also are aware you’ve been broken up behind your out of control dog, as was carol levie and lush… Someone at the dog park (Ms. Jaws’ dad Steve for those who’ve seen the pics)
Naah, I don’t often visit dog abusers websites to look at pics… has been trying for a very long time now to be friends with him, with very little success.
And you can’t make your dog FRIENDLY, suja, cause you HURT him. In fact, he was pretty bummed that Khan would be okay with perfect strangers but not with him,
Well, that’s YOUR fault, not the dog’s, suja. We don’t blame DOGS noMOORE for the HANDLER’S VICIOUSNESS. whom he had been seeing on a regular basis for the past year or so.
BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! ENJOY YOUR PROBLEMS, suja. You’re a PUNK, a LIAR, and a DOG ABUSE and THAT’S HOWE COME your dog is OUT OF CONTROL, suja. It’s YOUR fault for not listening to Jerry. Over this past weekend, we left Khan with Ms. Jaws and her parents for 3 days while we visited my parents in NY.
Yeah. Our dog lovers have no problem imposing heir out of control dogs on their innocent friends and neighbors. This was a trial run,
BWWWAHAHAHAHAAA!!! ’cause they’ve volunteered to take care of him when we go on vacation.
Perhaps they FEEL SORRY for the lousy deal you give your dog, suja? I was really worried that he would be impossible to deal with,
That’s the hallmark of our dog abusers, suja. They’re BORN COWARDS. Only COWARDS HURT animals and children…suja. and worse that he’d be traumatized by being forced into having close contact with someone he was afraid of.
BWWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! As it turns out, they spent an inordinate amount of time with the dogs during those days.
Yeah. Didn’t have no LUCK? Tough break, eh suja??? Steve took a day off on Friday just for Khan, tookhim on extra long walks and jogs, took him to a ‘bone hunt’ (where Steve actually had to find a milkbone for Khan who was busy sniffing other dogs) as well as the dog park. Apparently he got to meet a ton of people at the ‘bone hunt’ and allowed pretty much everyone to pet him -YAY!
THAT’S because YOU weren’t there to MISHANDLE him, suja. We picked up one tired pooch on Sunday, and he seemed quite ticked off at us (especially DH) for the next couple of days.
IMAGINE??? That’s VERY unusual, suja. I’ve boarded dogs for many years and NEVER have seen what you and our regular liars and dog abusers see EVERY DAY. You’re PATHETIC, suja. Whenever DH came home, he would look past him as if he were expecting someone else, and turn around and walk off, a little dejected.
BWWWAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Because of the yucky weather we had been having,
Yeah, I’m lookin forward to a LONG COLD SPELL (no pun intended) to blockade you and our PALS indoors with all that pent up energy from WITHDRAWALS from their EXERCISE ADDICTION you RELY on to CONTROL your dog’s OUT OF CONTROL behaviors. we didn’t get to see his fosters until yesterday.
Ahhh! THAT EXPLAINS IT, suja. That’s HOWE COME I NEVER allow a FORMER OWNER to see their dog AFTER they’ve found a new HOWES, suja. It OFTEN PROVOKES an ATTACK on the NEW OWNER. That’d be YOU and "dh," in this case. GOOD LUCK! This "PHENOMENAE" lasts USUALLY just 3 DANGEROUS DAYS. Khan was sooo thrilled to see Steve.
INDEED. The AGGRESSION usually follows after they LEAVE. He actually ran up to the gate while he was entering, and waited for pets!
Dogs have INCREDIBLE memories, sjua, UNLIKE what our "EXPERST" believe. Let’s face it suja, you’ve been MISLED and LIED to by our incompetent lying dog abusing Thugs, sjua. Not surprising you’re university people… BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! GOOD LUCK!!! Then, he’d come up periodically just to say hi to him, with a big old goofy grin on his face.
Did that make you and dh JEALOUS, suja? It should, you’re only NORMAL.. BWWWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Needless to say,
YEAH. NEEDLESS TO SAY. Steve is thrilled! I’m thrilled! Khan is happy! DH is less than thrilled (he’s feeling a little jealous) 
Yeah? What did I just say? I rarely read ahead.. I KNOW my business. The down side to all this is that Steve used to be able to get him to run. Now, if he is just sitting around and Steve tries to get him up and running, Khan just gives him the ‘I’m not gonna run from you’ look.
Huh? YAY!
Yay? Suja
I’m lookin forward to MOORE reports about your SUCCESS, suja.
Me, not Zuki.
But of course, di. You always HURT your dog, that’s hardly news. But now that you’ve got your payback, that IS news, this is the NEWS that I’ve been waitin for to PROVE you and your pals will NEVER be able to hurt your dogs enough to control them. I was walking her last week before work. I have to admit that I wasn’t paying a ton of attention to her, because I was talking to my son.
IMAGINE allowing your own child to watch you jerk choke and shock your dog. Zuki spotted a rabbit, and she took off.
Because you’ve NEVER TRAINED HER to not want to molest animals, you’ve spent all your time trying to HURT her for just lookin at them. That’s HOWE COME your pal carol’s dog TURNED ON HER. Tell us she didn’t, carol. Go ahead. Like an idiot,
I couldn’ta put it betta. I held when I shoulda let go.
That’d NEVER happens with my students cause they’re taught NEVER TO PULL to force control of their dogs, cause we need TOTAL OFF LEAD CONTROL, and you CAN’T get that HURTIN your dog on lead. You’d need to learn HOWE to HURT your dog off lead, say with your shock collar, but that seldom works either, cause YOU GOT TO KNOW HOWE TO HURT THE DOG PROPERLY. You don’t. You HURT your dog like booby maida taught you, and he don’t know HOWE to HURT a dog PROPERLY, or he wouldn’t NEED to HANG them when they TURN on you as your dog has done as a DIRECT RESULT of the vicious training your "expert" has given you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zuki weighs upwards of
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