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I was reading somewhere that p-nut butter was a dieters best friend…..calms cravings ……go figure.  I luuuuv the stuff. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, Jamie, mine hit me at around midnite.  I had forgotten about it…..I should confess I ate a tablespoon of peanut butter and 1/2 a low carb bar….. Wow, I really had forgotten…… ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:  www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday! I need to add snacks that I ate yesterday:( Actually I ate them ALL last night.  It seems my problem is that I don’t have sugar cravings during the day, appetite is normal also,but when DH is home with me and we are sitting on the couch watching tv I get sugar cravings like you wouldn’t believe!  I was fine all day until last night, but I did manage to snack LC even though I think I over-did it. Tell me what ya’ll think. 4/9/02 Snacks: 2TBS cream cheese w/1 TBS cubed smoked turkey meat 1/4 cup almonds(dry roasted and salted) 4 TBS peanut butter(regular Skippy) ugh mistake I know:( 1/4 cup sunflower seeds 3 TBS cream cheese 1 packet splenda 1/2 tsp cinnamon and 1/2 tsp nutmeg 1 TBS blue cheese crumbles Mind you I ate ALL of this after dinner last night from about 8pm-11pm. I was just ravenous! What I really wanted was choc.chip cookies which thank goodness I didn’t have any available to me or I probably would’ve scarfed’em down.  I think DH sitting beside me snacking on ritz crackers and peanut butter made it worse  Sorry about all the carby food chat but, them’s tha fax. I’m feeling bloated today from all the salt you  think? Am I *not* eating enough during the day?  I’m trying to keep my calories at around 9-10 per lb of bw, which puts me in the 1200-1350 range.  Fitday has my total cals yesterday at over 1500. Thanks for your help and suggestions. Jamie 151+/136/125 Exercise: jogging 45 minutes(on minitramp w/3lb ankle weights on)           10 minutes lifting 5lb weights(to get my upper body worked on) Breakfast: 2 fried eggs            3 slices bacon Lunch: 1 cup romaine        2oz smoked turkey breast( shredded in salad)        2 TBS canola oil/vinegar dressing        1/2 can tuna w/2TBS mayo Dinner: 1 cup steamed brocolli w/2pats butter         1 tsp lousianna hot sauce/2 TBS melted butter mix         2 fried chicken wings Snacks: none planned Water: 1 gallon Fitday breakdown: carbs 2%                   fat  78%                   protein 20% Vits: 1 multi vitamin, 1 Atkin’s Advantage Vitanutruient Sugar cravings: none so far! yeah baby thats right!! Appetite: dwindling ****Also dropped a lb since yesterday!! woohoo!  Probably because I drank ALL my water yesterday and DID NOT CHEAT. Jamie atkins 1/19/02 151+/136/125 f, 36, 5′4

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Wow, Jamie, mine hit me at around midnite.  I had forgotten about it…..I should confess I ate a tablespoon of peanut butter and 1/2 a low carb bar….. Wow, I really had forgotten……

I’ve done that before. Thats why I’ve started writing down every bite that goes into my mouth.  If I don’t I tend to forget little bites of this or that.  The peanut butter wasn’t that bad, not great for you during this challenge but not a disaster either…I had 4tbs of it myself on Tuesday night:(  But the low carb bars you really need to watch! There are like 20+ grams of carb in those bars. HIDDEN carbs from the fillers and sweeteners like malitol and maltodextrin. Atkin’s has said in the past that they are negligable carbs or something like that. But now they are going to have to start reporting the correct amount on the label. I had to cut them out completely a month or so ago. Good news to report! I stayed right on plan yesterday, and the only snack I had was the 3 cubes of colby-jack cheese~ AND I’m down another lb as of this AM!!! woohoo!! Didn’t have much sugar cravings last night either…which in itself is amazing. What a difference a day can bring hmm? I kept telling myself if I could just fight those cravings for a day or two…or three..sigh.. that they would diminish.  And they seem to be going for sure now. What a relief!  I tell you what, I still smoke ciggs and have tried to quit a couple of times(i WILL do it someday:), but the cravings for sweets are comparable to cigg cravings.  When I think about quitting smoking I must compare it to how I used to binge diet. I could go for 7 days or more with nothing but diet pepsi and water…so no food at all, but could not quit smoking. If I can go without food but can’t go without ciggs nobody can tell me that its a lack of "willpower".   Nicotine addiction has been compared to heroine addiction for goodness sakes! I know I will quit someday, maybe even give it another shot when I get to my goal weight. Kudos to you for your quitting those darn ciggs! Sorry about rambling on. Jamie atkins: 1/19/02 151+/135/125 f, 36, 5′4

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Wow, Jamie, mine hit me at around midnite.  I had forgotten about it…..I should confess I ate a tablespoon of peanut butter and 1/2 a low carb bar….. Wow, I really had forgotten…… ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:  www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to add snacks that I ate yesterday:( Actually I ate them ALL last night.  It seems my problem is that I don’t have sugar cravings during the day, appetite is normal also,but when DH is home with me and we are sitting on the couch watching tv I get sugar cravings like you wouldn’t believe!  I was fine all day until last night, but I did manage to snack LC even though I think I over-did it. Tell me what ya’ll think. 4/9/02 Snacks: 2TBS cream cheese w/1 TBS cubed smoked turkey meat 1/4 cup almonds(dry roasted and salted) 4 TBS peanut butter(regular Skippy) ugh mistake I know:( 1/4 cup sunflower seeds 3 TBS cream cheese 1 packet splenda 1/2 tsp cinnamon and 1/2 tsp nutmeg 1 TBS blue cheese crumbles Mind you I ate ALL of this after dinner last night from about 8pm-11pm. I was just ravenous! What I really wanted was choc.chip cookies which thank goodness I didn’t have any available to me or I probably would’ve scarfed’em down.  I think DH sitting beside me snacking on ritz crackers and peanut butter made it worse  Sorry about all the carby food chat but, them’s tha fax. I’m feeling bloated today from all the salt you think? Am I *not* eating enough during the day?  I’m trying to keep my calories at around 9-10 per lb of bw, which puts me in the 1200-1350 range.  Fitday has my total cals yesterday at over 1500. Thanks for your help and suggestions. Jamie 151+/136/125

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exercise: jogging 45 minutes(on minitramp w/3lb ankle weights on)           10 minutes lifting 5lb weights(to get my upper body worked on) Breakfast: 2 fried eggs            3 slices bacon Lunch: 1 cup romaine        2oz smoked turkey breast( shredded in salad)        2 TBS canola oil/vinegar dressing        1/2 can tuna w/2TBS mayo Dinner: 1 cup steamed brocolli w/2pats butter         1 tsp lousianna hot sauce/2 TBS melted butter mix         2 fried chicken wings Snacks: none planned Water: 1 gallon Fitday breakdown: carbs 2%                   fat  78%                   protein 20% Vits: 1 multi vitamin, 1 Atkin’s Advantage Vitanutruient Sugar cravings: none so far! yeah baby thats right!! Appetite: dwindling ****Also dropped a lb since yesterday!! woohoo!  Probably because I drank ALL my water yesterday and DID NOT CHEAT. Jamie atkins 1/19/02 151+/136/125 f, 36, 5′4

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Crab with a C….but then again it is from Korea and I’m not sure what the regulations are!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question: is the sticks of crabmeat real crab or surimi (krab with a "k")? Caution: fake crab is FULL of carbs! Lulu Okay, I’ve done better today than yesterday.  The day is still early. BREAKFAST:          2 boiled eggs (1 sans the yolk)                                 1 (yes, it can be done) cup of coffee with Splenda LUNCH:                   Salad greens with 5 sticks of crabmeat and 3 tablespoons dressing.                                  Fruit salad with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries (my last for hopefully this week)                                  2 Diet Rite Grape Sodas SNACK:                   Small bag of dried cuttlefish (korean snack) I managed to skip the faux bacon bits (per a suggestion from the group), skip the cream (wrong brand, too many carbs), limit my caffeine to 1 cup. I had to have the fruit, though.  I fear I’ll have to wean myself off of it…..or rather so much of it…… STILL TO COMPLETE TODAY: DINNER: EXERCISE:              30 minutes on the treadmill. Wish me luck!! ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:

www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday! Lowcarb Lulu    in San Diego Low-carbing since June 1999 24-26/16-18/??? http://www.geocities.com/lowcarblulu

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The calories look low and the ratios look seriously off.  Are you using fitday?  If so, along w/ your menus, post your total daily CALORIES,  FAT%   CARB%  PROTEIN%   The numbers tell a big story.  Enter everything you put into your mouth into fitday.  To add oil to your diet, add a few pats of butter on your cooked veggies.  You’ll see FAT% rise quickly.   Wildflower

Okay, I couldn’t resist the fruit!!!  God help me I’m addicted…. BREAKFAST:          2 boiled eggs (1 sans the yolk because it fell out of the bag)                                  1 (yes, it can be done) cup of coffee with Splenda LUNCH:                   Salad greens with 5 sticks of crabmeat and 3 tablespoons dressing.                                   Fruit salad with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries (my last for hopefully this week)                                   2 Diet Rite Grape Sodas SNACK:                   Small bag of dried cuttlefish (korean snack) I managed to skip the faux bacon bits (per a suggestion from the group), skip the cream (wrong brand, too many carbs), limit my caffeine to 1 cup. DINNER:               Kimchee Soup (Korean soup made with bokchoy lettuce with red pepper, garlic, squid and a few other spices) EXERCISE:              30 minutes on the treadmill!  I actually did it!  Yippee MORE SNACKS:            A bunch of grapes and a plum.                                             A small bit of dried cuttlefish. wednesday’s goals:   a.. no fruit (no matter how much I want it!!!)   b.. 30 minutes walking (minimum)   c.. eat more protein   d.. compliment at least 3 people about anything!!! ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:  www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday!

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I need to add snacks that I ate yesterday:( Actually I ate them ALL last night.  It seems my problem is that I don’t have sugar cravings during the day, appetite is normal also,but when DH is home with me and we are sitting on the couch watching tv I get sugar cravings like you wouldn’t believe!  I was fine all day until last night, but I did manage to snack LC even though I think I over-did it. Tell me what ya’ll think. 4/9/02 Snacks: 2TBS cream cheese w/1 TBS cubed smoked turkey meat 1/4 cup almonds(dry roasted and salted) 4 TBS peanut butter(regular Skippy) ugh mistake I know:( 1/4 cup sunflower seeds 3 TBS cream cheese 1 packet splenda 1/2 tsp cinnamon and 1/2 tsp nutmeg 1 TBS blue cheese crumbles Mind you I ate ALL of this after dinner last night from about 8pm-11pm. I was just ravenous! What I really wanted was choc.chip cookies which thank goodness I didn’t have any available to me or I probably would’ve scarfed’em down.  I think DH sitting beside me snacking on ritz crackers and peanut butter made it worse  Sorry about all the carby food chat but, them’s tha fax. I’m feeling bloated today from all the salt you think? Am I *not* eating enough during the day?  I’m trying to keep my calories at around 9-10 per lb of bw, which puts me in the 1200-1350 range.  Fitday has my total cals yesterday at over 1500.   Thanks for your help and suggestions. Jamie 151+/136/125 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exercise: jogging 45 minutes(on minitramp w/3lb ankle weights on)           10 minutes lifting 5lb weights(to get my upper body worked on) Breakfast: 2 fried eggs            3 slices bacon Lunch: 1 cup romaine        2oz smoked turkey breast( shredded in salad)        2 TBS canola oil/vinegar dressing        1/2 can tuna w/2TBS mayo Dinner: 1 cup steamed brocolli w/2pats butter         1 tsp lousianna hot sauce/2 TBS melted butter mix         2 fried chicken wings Snacks: none planned Water: 1 gallon Fitday breakdown: carbs 2%                   fat  78%                   protein 20% Vits: 1 multi vitamin, 1 Atkin’s Advantage Vitanutruient Sugar cravings: none so far! yeah baby thats right!! Appetite: dwindling ****Also dropped a lb since yesterday!! woohoo!  Probably because I drank ALL my water yesterday and DID NOT CHEAT. Jamie atkins 1/19/02 151+/136/125 f, 36, 5′4

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BREAKFAST: 1 slice low-carb bread with vegemite LUNCH: Quiche Lorraine, SF jello with whipped cream. DINNER: Quiche Lorraine, tomato/chicken soup SNACKS: SF chocolate EXERCISE: 35 mins Tae Bo 1702 cal, 79% fat, 5% carbs (21g), 16% protein — Tara 264.5/178.2/176 – minigoal Atkins since 10 July 2001 – New Zealand www.dazzled.com/lowcarb – my homepage

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Hi All!   My day started out well…then well ended badly! Had some cashews and a chicken breast for lunch,went out to dinner and ordered stirfry without the noodles…came very sugary!Had a glass of white wine.Went to se George Carlin…had a nother glass of wine….went out and had 2 rye and ginger ale(forgot to ask for diet even)then had half a large cooke and some chocolate puff cake!!! Some one stop me!!!! Tomorrow is a new day in which I will pay through extra exercsinga and huge water consumption.One sugary thing led me on a trail of destruction. sally – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Breakfast: 3 cups of tea, 2 scrambled eggs in butter Lunch:  Wendy’s, two double burgers w/cheese & all sans bun, they didn’t even look at me strangely!  Water. Snack:  Cucumber, about 1/2 cup lettuce w/blue cheese crumbles Dinner:  Broiled beef tenderloin, fresh asparagus with butter, garlic & lemon, slices of Irish Cheddar cheese, fresh strawberries and cream. Can you tell I went grocery shopping?  Did majorly damage to the checkbook this afternoon.  Went to a place where they have maybe 100 feet of bunker space with just cheeses…..droooool….picked up a bunch, including an herbed feta, port salut, smoked string cheese, havarti with dill, 6 year old cheddar, all of these were 2002 entrants/winners of the world cheese championship.  Good thing dairy doesn’t stall me.  There is not *one* smidge of room in the refrigerator between the meats, the veggies, the cheeses (what a friend we have in cheeses… ;-P).  Oh, also bought some Irish butter…what a freakin difference!  This stuff is *good*! Exercise:  2x round the park pond (1.5 miles)!  this is really really good, guys, didn’t trip or stumble once!  YAY!!!! And, stopped at the doc’s to weigh in after the "Nina Challenge"…..drum roll please….12 lbs since 4/1.  Sheesh.  What the hell was I doing before?  Carb creep must have grown into carb roll-right-over-me! allison aka psycho Sharp sword, short temper. Any questions?

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Wayne, you are so right…but, it’s not that I’m thinking low fat is the way to go, it’s that I find it difficult to add more fat to my eating. My normal eating day (prior to trying LC) was filled primarily with pasta, rice and sweets (and popcorn and potato chips and lots and lots of fruit). I am a carb junkie. Per your suggestion, I will buy some cream for my coffee (which I love anyway) right now I only have the fat free so I can’t use it. My dressing is an oil and vinegar so there is fat there. Perhaps I can use butter to make my fish or on cooked veggies? Where else can I add fat?  I don’t eat land animals.  Oh, in the eggs? — Carol Ann www.bestinatlanta.com ~ Your Guide to the Best in Atlanta!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I couldn’t resist the fruit!!!  God help me I’m addicted…. wednesday’s goals:   a.. no fruit (no matter how much I want it!!!)   b.. 30 minutes walking (minimum)   c.. eat more protein   d.. compliment at least 3 people about anything!!! It looks from your menus that your cravings may be coming from 1) not enough food and 2) not enough fat. Your menu is actually quite low in fat and I can see why you’re hungry. Fat fills you and carbs make you crave more carbs. Add butter, cream, and oil to your food and see if that keeps the hunger away. Also, as you eat and after you eat, really have an honest discussion with yourself. Am I really still hungry? Or am I just wanting to eat for other reasons? You’ll discover that being "satisfied" is a new sensation that we used to blow right by in an effort to get more carbs. I get the impression that you may also be thinking diet=low fat. If so, just trust the success of so many others and eat more fat. It really does work. (The Kimchee Soup sounds great though!) Wayne Crannell 250/191.5/175 Atkins 10/27/01

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Wayne, you are so right…but, it’s not that I’m thinking low fat is the way to go, it’s that I find it difficult to add more fat to my eating. My normal eating day (prior to trying LC) was filled primarily with pasta, rice and sweets (and popcorn and potato chips and lots and lots of fruit). I am a carb junkie. Per your suggestion, I will buy some cream for my coffee (which I love anyway) right now I only have the fat free so I can’t use it. My dressing is an oil and vinegar so there is fat there. Perhaps I can use butter to make my fish or on cooked veggies? Where else can I add fat?  I don’t eat land animals.  Oh, in the eggs?

You know, most people don’t even realize they are thinking low fat, but we are so imprinted with the low-fat approach, we do it automatically. It took me a good month to stop second-guessing the fat content. Now, I hide the tub of margarine in the back of the fridge so my DW can’t find it! Without the land animals, you will have a harder time, but it is doable. There are several people here who are non-meat eaters and they have success. Try some of the fattier fish…salmon is good as is catfish. Shrimp, scallops, tuna, crab are also good (check the carbs in some shellfish)….saute in butter with cajun seasoning. The key to more fat is adding it to foods you are already eating by using good oils. I use a lot of mayo also. Try a spinach salad with tuna, parmesan, mushrooms, and 3-4T of mayo. If you’re not yet worrying about the calories, add some good olive oil on top of that mayo. You can get some great garlic infused or truffle olive oil. Kalamata olive oil is great. Macadamia nut oil is excellent. There is a nice lime olive oil that you can get in most stores. And always cook in oil or butter, and then pour the pan drippings on the food. Put mayo or butter on everything….fresh dill and mayo on salmon is one of the great things in this world. Marie’s Super Bleu Cheese is also an excellent dressing if you can find it. You can also do a strong olive oil and some good spices without the vinegar….. lemon grass, McCormacks Steak Seasoning, curry powder, dill, Emeril’s seasonings….they all have some carbs, but not too many. Get some strong cheese like bleu or sharp cheddar that you can use in moderation on salads. Flax seeds are great for a different texture and give good amounts of fat. And just keep working at it. You’ll find a groove and it will happen. Wayne Crannell 250/191.5/175 Atkins 10/27/01

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Okay, I couldn’t resist the fruit!!!  God help me I’m addicted…. wednesday’s goals:   a.. no fruit (no matter how much I want it!!!)   b.. 30 minutes walking (minimum)   c.. eat more protein   d.. compliment at least 3 people about anything!!!

It looks from your menus that your cravings may be coming from 1) not enough food and 2) not enough fat. Your menu is actually quite low in fat and I can see why you’re hungry. Fat fills you and carbs make you crave more carbs. Add butter, cream, and oil to your food and see if that keeps the hunger away. Also, as you eat and after you eat, really have an honest discussion with yourself. Am I really still hungry? Or am I just wanting to eat for other reasons? You’ll discover that being "satisfied" is a new sensation that we used to blow right by in an effort to get more carbs. I get the impression that you may also be thinking diet=low fat. If so, just trust the success of so many others and eat more fat. It really does work. (The Kimchee Soup sounds great though!) Wayne Crannell 250/191.5/175 Atkins 10/27/01

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Okay, I couldn’t resist the fruit!!!  God help me I’m addicted…. BREAKFAST:          2 boiled eggs (1 sans the yolk because it fell out of the bag)                                  1 (yes, it can be done) cup of coffee with Splenda LUNCH:                   Salad greens with 5 sticks of crabmeat and 3 tablespoons dressing.                                   Fruit salad with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries (my last for hopefully this week)                                   2 Diet Rite Grape Sodas SNACK:                   Small bag of dried cuttlefish (korean snack) I managed to skip the faux bacon bits (per a suggestion from the group), skip the cream (wrong brand, too many carbs), limit my caffeine to 1 cup. DINNER:               Kimchee Soup (Korean soup made with bokchoy lettuce with red pepper, garlic, squid and a few other spices) EXERCISE:              30 minutes on the treadmill!  I actually did it!  Yippee MORE SNACKS:            A bunch of grapes and a plum.                                             A small bit of dried cuttlefish. wednesday’s goals:   a.. no fruit (no matter how much I want it!!!)   b.. 30 minutes walking (minimum)   c.. eat more protein   d.. compliment at least 3 people about anything!!! ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:  www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday!

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I checked the package.  It had no carbs…..I bought it from a korean market.  I’m not sure now…..hmmmmmmmmm — Carol Ann www.bestinatlanta.com ~ Your Guide to the Best in Atlanta!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question: is the sticks of crabmeat real crab or surimi (krab with a "k")? Caution: fake crab is FULL of carbs! Lulu Okay, I’ve done better today than yesterday.  The day is still early. BREAKFAST:          2 boiled eggs (1 sans the yolk)                                 1 (yes, it can be done) cup of coffee with Splenda LUNCH:                   Salad greens with 5 sticks of crabmeat and 3 tablespoons dressing.                                  Fruit salad with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries (my last for hopefully this week)                                  2 Diet Rite Grape Sodas SNACK:                   Small bag of dried cuttlefish (korean snack) I managed to skip the faux bacon bits (per a suggestion from the group), skip the cream (wrong brand, too many carbs), limit my caffeine to 1 cup. I had to have the fruit, though.  I fear I’ll have to wean myself off of it…..or rather so much of it…… STILL TO COMPLETE TODAY: DINNER: EXERCISE:              30 minutes on the treadmill. Wish me luck!! ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:

www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday! Lowcarb Lulu    in San Diego Low-carbing since June 1999 24-26/16-18/??? http://www.geocities.com/lowcarblulu

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Breakfast: 3 cups of tea, 2 scrambled eggs in butter Lunch:  Wendy’s, two double burgers w/cheese & all sans bun, they didn’t even look at me strangely!  Water. Snack:  Cucumber, about 1/2 cup lettuce w/blue cheese crumbles Dinner:  Broiled beef tenderloin, fresh asparagus with butter, garlic & lemon, slices of Irish Cheddar cheese, fresh strawberries and cream. Can you tell I went grocery shopping?  Did majorly damage to the checkbook this afternoon.  Went to a place where they have maybe 100 feet of bunker space with just cheeses…..droooool….picked up a bunch, including an herbed feta, port salut, smoked string cheese, havarti with dill, 6 year old cheddar, all of these were 2002 entrants/winners of the world cheese championship.  Good thing dairy doesn’t stall me.  There is not *one* smidge of room in the refrigerator between the meats, the veggies, the cheeses (what a friend we have in cheeses… ;-P).  Oh, also bought some Irish butter…what a freakin difference!  This stuff is *good*! Exercise:  2x round the park pond (1.5 miles)!  this is really really good, guys, didn’t trip or stumble once!  YAY!!!! And, stopped at the doc’s to weigh in after the "Nina Challenge"…..drum roll please….12 lbs since 4/1.  Sheesh.  What the hell was I doing before?  Carb creep must have grown into carb roll-right-over-me! allison aka psycho Sharp sword, short temper. Any questions?

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Food:  1955 calories; 67% fat, 28% protein, and 5% carbs. Breakfast:  chicken Lunch: salad w/ranch and roast pork Snack:  salami snacks from the machine at work Dinner:  crustless mushroom and pepperoni pizza BT snack:  drink-mix jello w/cream, italian sponge cake, and a strawberry Exercise: lifted weights for about half an hour Speck 210/162/145

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Well, I didn’t get to go to the gym last night – had an emergency call from my aunt to go check on my mother, so I had to run over there. Everything was perfectly fine, and I got stuck there visiting for a while. Oh, well. Today: Breakfast: 3 scrambled eggs w/a little cheese, coffee Snack: 1.5 c raw cauliflower, with a little Marie’s BC Dressing Lunch: Two turkey wrap sandwiches, with a smidge of regular mayo and one thin slice tomato each, on LTF Garlic & Herb tortillas, a diet orange soda, and half a grapefruit Dinner is as yet unplanned, but I do have some salmon in the freezer . . . Veggie will certainly be zucchini. Not in a salad mood today. Oh, and I had a very very thin slice of chocolate cake (about 1/3 of a serving – 7 g). It’s the boss’s birthday. The cake was delish – I could’ve eaten MUCH more! LOL Exercise: Tonight I’m REALLY going to the gym! Penny G

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Question: is the sticks of crabmeat real crab or surimi (krab with a "k")? Caution: fake crab is FULL of carbs! Lulu – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Okay, I’ve done better today than yesterday.  The day is still early. BREAKFAST:          2 boiled eggs (1 sans the yolk)                                 1 (yes, it can be done) cup of coffee with Splenda LUNCH:                   Salad greens with 5 sticks of crabmeat and 3 tablespoons dressing.                                  Fruit salad with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries (my last for hopefully this week)                                  2 Diet Rite Grape Sodas SNACK:                   Small bag of dried cuttlefish (korean snack) I managed to skip the faux bacon bits (per a suggestion from the group), skip the cream (wrong brand, too many carbs), limit my caffeine to 1 cup. I had to have the fruit, though.  I fear I’ll have to wean myself off of it…..or rather so much of it…… STILL TO COMPLETE TODAY: DINNER: EXERCISE:              30 minutes on the treadmill. Wish me luck!! ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:  www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday!

Lowcarb Lulu    in San Diego Low-carbing since June 1999 24-26/16-18/??? http://www.geocities.com/lowcarblulu

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You are right, Wayne, I should really work on both. I feel like I’m always eating…… ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:  www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I’ve done better today than yesterday.  The day is still early. BREAKFAST:          2 boiled eggs (1 sans the yolk)                                  1 (yes, it can be done) cup of coffee with Splenda LUNCH:                   Salad greens with 5 sticks of crabmeat and 3 tablespoons dressing.                                   Fruit salad with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries (my last for hopefully this week)                                   2 Diet Rite Grape Sodas SNACK:                   Small bag of dried cuttlefish (korean snack) I managed to skip the faux bacon bits (per a suggestion from the group), skip the cream (wrong brand, too many carbs), limit my caffeine to 1 cup. I had to have the fruit, though.  I fear I’ll have to wean myself off of it…..or rather so much of it…… STILL TO COMPLETE TODAY: DINNER: EXERCISE:              30 minutes on the treadmill. Doesn’t look like nearly enough food. Have you done the calories? Why take the yolk out of the egg? Try weaning the caffeine by mixing the coffee half and half for a while. Then go to decaf. I just went from full decaf to 80/20 decaf/caf. Add some cream to the strawberries so you can eat less but feel full and get more calories. You’re right, you need to lose the fruit as a main dish. Check the carbs in the dressing. Good luck. Wayne Crannell 250/191.5/175 Atkins 10/27/01

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I’ve done better today than yesterday.  The day is still early. BREAKFAST:          2 boiled eggs (1 sans the yolk)                                  1 (yes, it can be done) cup of coffee with Splenda LUNCH:                   Salad greens with 5 sticks of crabmeat and 3 tablespoons dressing.                                   Fruit salad with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries (my last for hopefully this week)                                   2 Diet Rite Grape Sodas SNACK:                   Small bag of dried cuttlefish (korean snack) I managed to skip the faux bacon bits (per a suggestion from the group), skip the cream (wrong brand, too many carbs), limit my caffeine to 1 cup. I had to have the fruit, though.  I fear I’ll have to wean myself off of it…..or rather so much of it…… STILL TO COMPLETE TODAY: DINNER: EXERCISE:              30 minutes on the treadmill.

Doesn’t look like nearly enough food. Have you done the calories? Why take the yolk out of the egg? Try weaning the caffeine by mixing the coffee half and half for a while. Then go to decaf. I just went from full decaf to 80/20 decaf/caf. Add some cream to the strawberries so you can eat less but feel full and get more calories. You’re right, you need to lose the fruit as a main dish. Check the carbs in the dressing. Good luck. Wayne Crannell 250/191.5/175 Atkins 10/27/01

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Okay, I’ve done better today than yesterday.  The day is still early. BREAKFAST:          2 boiled eggs (1 sans the yolk)                                  1 (yes, it can be done) cup of coffee with Splenda LUNCH:                   Salad greens with 5 sticks of crabmeat and 3 tablespoons dressing.                                   Fruit salad with raspberries, blueberries, blackberries and strawberries (my last for hopefully this week)                                   2 Diet Rite Grape Sodas SNACK:                   Small bag of dried cuttlefish (korean snack) I managed to skip the faux bacon bits (per a suggestion from the group), skip the cream (wrong brand, too many carbs), limit my caffeine to 1 cup. I had to have the fruit, though.  I fear I’ll have to wean myself off of it…..or rather so much of it…… STILL TO COMPLETE TODAY: DINNER: EXERCISE:              30 minutes on the treadmill. Wish me luck!! ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:  www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday!

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Exercise: jogging 45 minutes(on minitramp w/3lb ankle weights on)           10 minutes lifting 5lb weights(to get my upper body worked on) Breakfast: 2 fried eggs            3 slices bacon Lunch: 1 cup romaine        2oz smoked turkey breast( shredded in salad)        2 TBS canola oil/vinegar dressing        1/2 can tuna w/2TBS mayo Dinner: 1 cup steamed brocolli w/2pats butter         1 tsp lousianna hot sauce/2 TBS melted butter mix         2 fried chicken wings Snacks: none planned Water: 1 gallon Fitday breakdown: carbs 2%                   fat  78%                   protein 20% Vits: 1 multi vitamin, 1 Atkin’s Advantage Vitanutruient Sugar cravings: none so far! yeah baby thats right!! Appetite: dwindling ****Also dropped a lb since yesterday!! woohoo!  Probably because I drank ALL my water yesterday and DID NOT CHEAT. Jamie atkins 1/19/02 151+/136/125 f, 36, 5′4

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Any Day, A Clean Slate!  Yippee!  I will succeed today!!!

YES!                                         NO KOREAN SNACKS (since you = can’t really tell what’s in them)

Aww.  My kingdom for lowcarb wasabi roasted peas.  *snif* For today: BEAT my cravings.  I am armed with L-Glutamine, lots of water, and I’m going to try to cut out the last bit of caffeine from my mid-morning, see if that doesn’t help! EXERCISE: 40 minutes elliptical – DONE! BREAKFAST: two eggs, two turkey breakfast sausages LUNCH: Tuna salad and parmesan on spinach SNACK: ground beef and cheddar on low-carb tortilla, nuked DINNER: Chicken stir-fry (TONS of veggies!) SNACK: Flaxmeal with sugar-free syrup 1442 calories, 56.5g carbs (24.7g fiber), 141g protein, 72.3g fat I will give myself a gold star on my calendar if I can stick to plan with no cheats! — gnat! 146/142/126 PP

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Any Day, A Clean Slate!  Yippee!  I will succeed today!!! FOR TUESDAY:  NO FAUX BACON BITS                                LIMIT PORTION OF FRUIT TO ONE TIME                                WALK FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 MINUTES                                NO CARB FILLED CREAMER IN COFFEE!                                            DRINK 3 X 32 OZ SPRING WATER                                          NO KOREAN SNACKS (since you can’t really tell what’s in them) I really want to reach my goal of 130 by July 4th.  I can do it!  I know I can.   My goal this week is to drop below 150.  I fluctuate from 151 in the morning to 155 at nite (I know, shouldn’t weigh at nite). ~Carol Ann in Atlanta Visit me on My Weightloss Journey:  www.bestinatlanta.com/weightloss.html! Height:               5′ 3" Goal:                 160/152/130 by July 4th "Dream" Goal:   120 by 12/21/02  My 40th birthday! — Carol Ann www.bestinatlanta.com ~ Your Guide to the Best in Atlanta!

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Monday was great!  No cheats. No cravings! TODAY’S GAME PLAN EXERCISE – Got up early and had and went to the beach for a walk.  Did some shelling too, which I am *feeling* in my behind.  Man, I am out of shape. BREAKFAST – Coffee, water LUNCH – Cobb salad, water DINNER – Stewed rabbit, mushrooms, asparagus

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Any Day, A Clean Slate!  Yippee!  I will succeed today!!! FOR TUESDAY:  NO FAUX BACON BITS                               LIMIT PORTION OF FRUIT TO ONE TIME                               WALK FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 MINUTES                               NO CARB FILLED CREAMER IN COFFEE! =20                                         DRINK 3 X 32 OZ SPRING WATER                                         NO KOREAN SNACKS (since you = can’t really tell what’s in them)                                       =20 I really want to reach my goal of 130 by July 4th.  I can do it!  I know = I can.   My goal this week is to drop below 150.  I fluctuate from 151 = in the morning to 155 at nite (I know, shouldn’t weigh at nite).

Sounds like you are on the right track for a good day, which mean lead to a good tomorrow and the day after that, etc. Here is my Tuesday resolution: NO CHEESE!!  I absentmindedly ate some feta last night, bleu cheese dressing and about a 1/2 ounce of cheddar.  So much for me cutting out the cheese! Today I will have no cheese of any kind.  I swear it. Breakfast:  Coffee with Splenda and a homemade protein shake consisting of one scoop whey protein isolate, 8 oz water, 2 tsp all-one (vitamins) and a splash of sugar free tangerine flavoring. Lunch is up in the air today as I forgot to make it =(  I will probably run to the store and pick up some roast beef and … something to replace the swiss I would normally eat with it.  Maybe just some mustard, uhm.. yum or something (eww). Dinner will be either chicken or salmon grilled and served with a light low carb sauce. I will eat my salad tonight, but I am not sure if I can cut the vinegar out of my dressing.  I simply do not like olive oil very much.  Once I get past my cheese addiction I will be more prepared to end my vinegar addiction. Workout tonight will be more belly dancing concentrating on the hips and thighs.  I think I am getting to the point where the treadmill is a possibility.  The belly dance has really helped get my hips moving again! -Annette

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A word to the wise – especially any teenagers accessing the group – piercings are great body adornments – but on no account consider doing one yourself. Anyone who is considering doing this  - like some people on this site – or encouraging it – is – sorry to be cruel – a nutter! Piercing needs to carried out in a sterile environment: sterile needles, sterile jewellery, sterile follow-up. Anything less and you risk serious infection, disfigurement, and, at worst, DEATH from blood poisoning. Anybody up for doing their own surgical operations at home, instead of in hospital?   Of course not.   Piercing is no different.   It’s a surgical procedure. As I said, piercings are great.  But go to a professional piercer, preferably by recommendation.  He,  or she, will have the right equipment, be able to offer pre-piercing and post-piercing advice, deal with any problems.  If you’re not happy with the way you’re treated – don’t go ahead with the piercing. A suggestion:  buy PIERCING WORLD  magazine before you start..   It’s based in Northampton and offers good, sensible advice, and is full of great pictures. Cheers – and happy piercing!

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A word to the wise – especially any teenagers accessing the group – piercings are great body adornments – but on no account consider doing one yourself. Anyone who is considering doing this  - like some people on this site – or encouraging it – is – sorry to be cruel – a nutter!

interesting use of hyphens. and, you’re a dipshit. Of course not.   Piercing is no different.   It’s a surgical procedure.

does that mean falling down and scraping my knee is a surgical procedure? while self-piercing isn’t for everyone, it can be done. j

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Anyone who is considering doing this  - like some people on this site – or encouraging it – is – sorry to be cruel – a nutter!

Some of us are scientists, Dr.’s, and others who are familiar with setting-up sterile fields.  It’s not so exactly rocket science.  We are also familiar with piercing procedures, and are able to improvise knowledgeably, and are ready to accept the consequences of fucking-up and to take the steps neccessary if we do — like go to the Dr. and get antibiotics. We are not "nutters," we just know more about what we’re doing than you obviously do.  AND I concur with j — you are a dipshit, right up there with "JUST SAY NO!" Ken — Visit My Homepages:  http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~kmccandl/index.html          "I went to see your pictures.  I spread them across the floor . . . Now they’re           probably saying to you, ‘If you keep it up you’ll be born!’           But you won’t ever listen — I’ll bet."   Juana’s Adicci

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does someone know somethind about the future of foster children (sons/daughters of drug addicted parents). What happen after their coming back to the biological families? What about to live with the foster parents forever? Are  there some scientific studies on their future? I would really like to know somethings about…! Trying to do something for our laws…Thank you for your kind answer, an Italian foster and biological mother

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I have just finished a lot of research into babies born addicted to cocaine, because we just took a little girl as a foster placement who was born cocaine addicted.  To summarize what I have learned, most of the research on cocaine addicted kids seems to be that if they remain in a stable environment (ie adoption or long-term foster care) they seem to have very few problems with later development.  Similar children who remain or return to an environment where the mom has a history of drug abuse typically show serious delays in development later in life.  Seems to me to say that the child’s environment growing up is more important than prenatal cocaine exposure.  I was specifically looking into cocaine addition, and there was not a lot of information.  There does seem to be a lot more research on children born with heroine addiction and on the effects of fetal alchohol syndrom. **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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I haven’t seen any scientific studies.  But, I was a foster child.  I am now a foster parent.  If you have any questions you think I might be able to answer, please let me know! Theresa…..mom to 8 in AZ (15,9,7,5,4,3,2,1) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sere wrote:

does someone know somethind about the future of foster children (sons/daughters of drug addicted parents). What happen after their coming back to the biological families? What about to live with the foster parents forever? Are  there some scientific studies on their future? I would really like to know somethings about…! Trying to do something for our laws…Thank you for your kind answer, an Italian foster and biological mother

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This brings up an interesting debate…are any

interpretations other than the author’s valid?  If you draw a different meaning from a

song than the one the author has intended, is that valid?  Just gettin a little

philosophical =)  I think so. It’s my understanding that the Mona Lisa was painted on comission – someone paid for their portrait. But it is one of the most famous works of art in the world today. Does the fact that it was intended simply as a portrait make it less a work of art? I don’t think so. Likewise, if a song has a different meaning for someone than the artist(s) intended, why not? The viewer makes a connection and that’s what really matters. IMHO ..:: stigge ::.. **Doc says: Ink blots, stigge, ink blots.  A work of art deals evokes an emotional response.  An emotional response is not necessarily the same for different people.  To respond to Mr. Burns (cool name), sometimes the viewer, listener, experiencer, whatever, finds something in a work of art that the artist didn’t even know was there.  Humans are amazing, aren’t they? Docie

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Ink blots, stigge, ink blots.  A work of art deals evokes an emotional response.  An emotional response is not necessarily the same for different people.  To respond to Mr. Burns (cool name), sometimes the viewer, listener, experiencer, whatever, finds something in a work of art that the artist didn’t even know was there.  Humans are amazing, aren’t they? Docie

 Yup. I think in some cases WHEN a song is heard can give a different response than intended. A person could connect a song with a time and place rather than the intent of the song. ..:: stigge ::.. — This morning I shot six holes in my freezer! I think I got cabin fever! Somebody sound the alarm!

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I think that’s very true.  Even from day to day songs can have completely<BR different impacts on me.  I think that’s what makes music, especially that of<BR U2, so great–that just by listening to a song such powerful emotions can be<BR drawn out of you.<BR This brings up an interesting debate…are any interpretations other than the author’s valid?  If you draw a different meaning from a song than the one the author has intended, is that valid?  Just gettin a little philosophical =)

 I think so. It’s my understanding that the Mona Lisa was painted on comission – someone paid for their portrait. But it is one of the most famous works of art in the world today. Does the fact that it was intended simply as a portrait make it less a work of art? I don’t think so. Likewise, if a song has a different meaning for someone than the artist(s) intended, why not? The viewer makes a connection and that’s what really matters. IMHO ..:: stigge ::.. — This morning I shot six holes in my freezer! I think I got cabin fever! Somebody sound the alarm!

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I have one question about the song "Exit," actually.  I’m wondering- is the guy portrayed in the song about to kill someone, or is he about to kill himself?  I always thought that he was killing himself- the title backs this up in a way- it’s his "exit" from life.  But why he would "cut across the land" to shoot himself is beyond me.  So maybe he is going to kill someone.

Maybe both, kill someone else and then "Exit" himself?

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‘Bad’ is about heroin (correct spelling) addiction. It related the helplessness one feels watching one they love slip away into a darkness one cannot comprehend: "If i could through myself set your spirit free"

I’ve also heard that it is about drug addiciton. I read somewhere that Bono wrote it after losing a friend to an overdose.

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I think that’s very true.  Even from day to day songs can have completely<BR different impacts on me.  I think that’s what makes music, especially that of<BR U2, so great–that just by listening to a song such powerful emotions can be<BR drawn out of you.<BR

This brings up an interesting debate…are any interpretations other than the author’s valid?  If you draw a different meaning from a song than the one the author has intended, is that valid?  Just gettin a little philosophical =)

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This brings up an interesting debate…are any interpretations other than the author’s valid?  If you draw a different meaning from a song than the one the author has intended, is that valid?  Just gettin a little philosophical =)

I have one question about the song "Exit," actually.  I’m wondering- is the guy portrayed in the song about to kill someone, or is he about to kill himself?  I always thought that he was killing himself- the title backs this up in a way- it’s his "exit" from life.  But why he would "cut across the land" to shoot himself is beyond me.  So maybe he is going to kill someone.

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I have one question about the song "Exit," actually.  I’m wondering- is the guy portrayed in the song about to kill someone, or is he about to kill himself?  I always thought that he was killing himself- the title backs this up in a way- it’s his "exit" from life.  But why he would "cut across the land" to shoot himself is beyond me.  So maybe he is

I have heard (or read) that it is somewhat based on the book "the executioners song" about Utah based killer Gary Gilmore "We’re one, but we’re not the same We got to carry each other."–"One", U2 Joe

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I always thought BAD was about Heroine addiction. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mothers of the Disappeared" & "Elvis Presley and America" have the same effect on me also… I think that is why they are three of favorite songs by U2 cause they bring so much emotion out in me… roman candle lightening lights up the sky… see me stare i-in to sp-ace have i got clser now behind teh face? charity d-ance with me turn me around toni-ght up thr-ough the spiral staircase to the hi-gher gr-ound slide show seaside town goosebumps always pulls me down on the radio radio radio radio… wormwood. Absolutely…one of my favorite songs, and I always felt very underrated. Hell, I got chills just reading the lyrics… ..:: stigge ::.. ** Doc shivers: Add me to the chills list. Doc

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‘Bad’ is about heroin (correct spelling) addiction. It was introduced by Bono a few (many?) times as: "We’re from Dublin.  Dublin has its good parts and its bad.  This songs called ‘Bad’. It related the helplessness one feels watching one they love slip away into a darkness one cannot comprehend: "If i could through myself set your spirit free" Lyrics like heartbeats, music like bitter sorrow rising to a crescendo of impotent anger.  I like this song very much.

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<<How many people have said Bad was an "up" or "romantic" song? Wow!  If Bad is supposed to be "up" or "romantic", I’m really missing out. Almost every time I hear that song, no matter what mood I might be in, I can’t help but get a lump in my throat.  I think it’s about feeling a bit lost in the inability to help someone (maybe even yourself) when you can see things falling apart.  I always get such a helpless, lonely feeling, when I listen to Bad… Says ..:: stigge ::.. : Well, all in all, it seems that songs hold meaning to each of us in different ways.

Says Doc: we all filter [songs] through our own life story

Says me: I think that’s very true.  Even from day to day songs can have completely different impacts on me.  I think that’s what makes music, especially that of U2, so great–that just by listening to a song such powerful emotions can be drawn out of you. Well, I can see I’m getting a bit incoherent and a bit ‘heavy on the head’ so I’ll be signing off now…I have to go listen to Bad a few times. Dream of another place, another land, another home, where the streets have no name. El Tercer

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I wish this was just a nightmare but I’m wide awake….not dreaming… You’re slipping away from me…. there’s nothing I can do if I could…I would…. oh my god….it’s desperation….

Yes. Alec.

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Mothers of the Disappeared" & "Elvis Presley and America" have the same effect on me also… I think that is why they are three of

favorite songs by U2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – cause they bring so much emotion out in me… roman candle lightening lights up the sky… see me stare i-in to sp-ace have i got clser now behind teh face? charity d-ance with me turn me around toni-ght up thr-ough the spiral staircase to the hi-gher gr-ound slide show seaside town goosebumps always pulls me down on the radio radio radio radio… wormwood.

 Absolutely…one of my favorite songs, and I always felt very underrated. Hell, I got chills just reading the lyrics… ..:: stigge ::.. ** Doc shivers: Add me to the chills list. Doc

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Mothers of the Disappeared" & "Elvis Presley and America" have the same effect on me also… I think that is why they are three of favorite songs by U2 cause they bring so much emotion out in me…

roman candle lightening lights up the sky… see me stare i-in to sp-ace have i got clser now behind teh face? charity d-ance with me turn me around toni-ght up thr-ough the spiral staircase to the hi-gher gr-ound slide show seaside town goosebumps always pulls me down on the radio radio radio radio… wormwood.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mothers of the Disappeared" & "Elvis Presley and America" have the same effect on me also… I think that is why they are three of favorite songs by U2 cause they bring so much emotion out in me… roman candle lightening lights up the sky… see me stare i-in to sp-ace have i got clser now behind teh face? charity d-ance with me turn me around toni-ght up thr-ough the spiral staircase to the hi-gher gr-ound slide show seaside town goosebumps always pulls me down on the radio radio radio radio… wormwood.

 Absolutely…one of my favorite songs, and I always felt very underrated. Hell, I got chills just reading the lyrics… ..:: stigge ::.. — Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best.

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Almost every time I hear that song, no matter what mood I might be in, I can’t help but get a lump in my throat.  I think it’s about feeling a bit lost in the inability to help someone (maybe even yourself) when you can see things falling apart.  I always get such a helpless, lonely feeling, when I listen to Bad…

I get the same way when I hear it, tenfold if I see it live… "Mothers of the Disappeared" & "Elvis Presley and America" have the same effect on me also… I think that is why they are three of favorite songs by U2 cause they bring so much emotion out in me…

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<<How many people have said Bad was an "up" or "romantic" song? Wow!  If Bad is supposed to be "up" or "romantic", I’m really missing out.

Well, some folks think it is…not me, but some folks…. Almost every time I hear that song, no matter what mood I might be in, I can’t help but get a lump in my throat.  I think it’s about feeling a bit lost in the inability to help someone (maybe even yourself) when you can see things falling apart.  I always get such a helpless, lonely feeling, when I listen to Bad…

I tried three times to describe what it does to me and what I think it means to me and failed. I can;t seem to get the words. It’s that big I guess. I’ll try again later… I think that’s very true.  Even from day to day songs can have completely different impacts on me.  I think that’s what makes music, especially that of U2, so great–that just by listening to a song such powerful emotions can be drawn out of you.

Yeah…I suspect this is what causes such imtense arguments about music and why they’re unwinnable. Many people take music very seriously, and will not change their minds, and can take dislike of a song or band almost personally. It’s also interesting how a song can have meaning so different from what may have inspired it. ..:: stigge ::.. — Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best.

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Although BAD was written for a friend who died from a heroine OD. BAD is about addiction, not just addiction from drugs an addiction of any kind. This is what Bono said )

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I wish this was just a nightmare but I’m wide awake….not dreaming… You’re slipping away from me…. there’s nothing I can do if I could…I would…. oh my god….it’s desperation….

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** Doc says: Yeah, they always *say* what the songs are about–but the proof is in listening to the words.  It’s like a quote, can’t remember the source, about something to the effect that "the meaning is in what I wrote–if I have to explain it to you then I didn’t do a good job writing".  I think that Bono will tell people what he thinks the songs are about just to get them off his back and ’cause he’s a gentleman.  The only way one really discovers the meanings is to listen to the songs.  Of course this leads to endless debate because we all filter them through our own life story.  You and I have been here before, stigge.  Nice to be back in the same place! Docie Yeah, it always ends up back here dunnit? Although BAD was written for a friend who died from a heroine OD. BAD is about addiction, not just addiction from drugs an addiction of any kind. This is what Bono said )

Guess I was a bit too narrow, eh? Well, all in all, it seems that songs hold meaning to each of us in different ways. True, Doc, that what a musician may have been thinking about when writing may not be what people think listening. How many people have said Bad was an "up" or "romantic" song? It’s all in the interpretation – that’s what makes music so powerful I suppose. I’m not sure what Bad says to me – I don’t think about addiciton when I hear it – but it is a very powerful song. Not "down", not "up" – just….wide awake? I can;t think of a better description. If I do, I’ll get back to you guys… ..:: stigge ::.. — Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best.

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Thank you. — Heroin… ** Doc says: Is it?

They have said at concerts it was written with a friend of theirs in mind who overdosed on heroin on his birthday. I guess the lyrics talk about thet addiction. ..:: stigge ::.. ** Doc says: Yeah, they always *say* what the songs are about–but the proof is in listening to the words.  It’s like a quote, can’t remember the source, about something to the effect that "the meaning is in what I wrote–if I have to explain it to you then I didn’t do a good job writing".  I think that Bono will tell people what he thinks the songs are about just to get them off his back and ’cause he’s a gentleman.  The only way one really discovers the meanings is to listen to the songs.  Of course this leads to endless debate because we all filter them through our own life story.  You and I have been here before, stigge.  Nice to be back in the same place! Docie

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Thank you. — Heroin… ** Doc says: Is it?

They have said at concerts it was written with a friend of theirs in mind who overdosed on heroin on his birthday. I guess the lyrics talk about thet addiction. ..:: stigge ::.. — Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best.

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Thank you. —

Heroin… ** Doc says: Is it?

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Thank you. — Albert Yue Yuan 2376 North Star Rd. Apt# 1B Columbus, OH 43221 Phone: 614-488-3836(H)          614-292-1367(O) FAX: 614-488-3836 "How many years must some people exist, before they’re allowed to be free?" —-Bob Dylan

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  Hopefully there is someone who can help me with this little project I’m coming up with.  What I need is the names of plays and playwrights that have written plays scenes or monologues that center around the use of drugs in particular heroin.  If I could get some names it would help immensely.    I’ll tell you a little about the project.  I’m not really sure how to really do it yet as my acting experience is minimal.  It’ll be a compilation of monologues and scenes on the subject of addiction and in particular heroin, it may involve other things like music and artwork which will remain to be seen.  Anyway the forst step is finding the plays/ monologues.  I have some of my own I plan on but I want other stuff for this too.  Any ideas?  Any help is immensely appreciated.

     Think fucking "Trainspotting."  Duh.  The most pre-eminant work on the subject of heroine addiction in the last few years.  Where have you been?  Under a rock? Jade.

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  Hopefully there is someone who can help me with this little project I’m coming up with.  What I need is the names of plays and playwrights that have written plays scenes or monologues that center around the use of drugs in particular heroin.  If I could get some names it would help immensely.      I’ll tell you a little about the project.  I’m not really sure how to really do it yet as my acting experience is minimal.  It’ll be a compilation of monologues and scenes on the subject of addiction and in particular heroin, it may involve other things like music and artwork which will remain to be seen.  Anyway the forst step is finding the plays/ monologues.  I have some of my own I plan on but I want other stuff for this too.  Any ideas?  Any help is immensely appreciated.

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I know a while ago we had a discussion of whether Bullet the Blue Sky belonged on JT or not. Well, recently i found a replace ment for it. Heartland from Rattle and Hum. for me it has that JT feel to it.

I don’t have a problem w/ Bullet the Blue Sky on JT (although it’s much better live and is a definite mood change– sometimes I skip it and listen straight into Running to Stand Still), but I do agree that Heartland fits that vibe.  It’s cos Heartland was actually recorded during the JT sessions, but was left off as being "too Unforg. Fire". I’ve also always felt that God Part II should’ve been on AB….. any one else feel that way?

Maybe not "God Part II," (too bluesy) but DEFINITELY "God Part III" (the "God Part II" remix).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I know a while ago we had a discussion of whether Bullet the Blue Sky belonged on JT or not. Well, recently i found a replace ment for it. Heartland from Rattle and Hum. for me it has that JT feel to it. What is wrong with you?  What things you speak of that reek of self importance.  Did you see the Beatles anthology?  Paul was talking about "The White Album" and how some people thought it was too long and should have been only one record instead of a double.  Paul said, "it’s the bloody Beatles  White Album…..shut up." I see all this bullshit in this newsgroup.  I mean U2 are not your ordinary band….why do you act like an ordinary newsgroup?  Is it becasue you are sleeping.  What do you think Bono means when he sings, "I’m wide awake, I’m not sleeping." Most of you don’t know shit about your favorite band.  Jay has tried to open your eyes but all you want to discuss is the ten best songs, or the ten worst songs, or what record could have used what song or what boot is better.   All you are trying to do is fill yourself with importance, like your view about these inane matters matters at all.  Hoe can you disresepect the music and the message so horrible.  U2 are about Love, and Can’t you feel IT?????   The Joshua Tree is a fucking prophecy.  The record is perfect. I’m going to fuck with your heads so good. If you want to know more about what I’m on about please download my book, "ONELOVESTORY"….it is the first part of the thirs testament http://www.lembke.com/onelovestory.html

Hmmm…well, Bono have said that he sees his songs as a book or film or anything that have a message in it. And if you listen to Bono’s writings you understand what kind of a writer he is. Fuck Kurt Cobain, Noel Gallagher or whoever, the only ones that deserve any respect is Bono, John Lennon and Bruce Springsteen. They make great music and still keep the message inside it intact. But i dunno if i would call JT perfect…it’s about as harsh as telling someone you love him/her one the first date…no album is perfect, no will ever be…if we knew the perfect album was here, what to look forward to? But still, a U2 Greatest Hits collection would be near perfect. No doubts. I saw the "still haven’t.." video today for the first time…it made me think a bit..the video shows the U2 guys walking round in some streets, singing and edge playing that guitar, Bono hugs and kisses every fan they meet…i don’t think i would’we made it like that though… "I have climbed highest mountain…but i still haven’t found what i’m looking for.." I think my vision is Bono climbing a mountain, singing, Edge standing on top of the mountain playing the guitar…camera zooms away from the mountain, over lakes and forests, to come to sort of wandrer(Adam Clayton) who walks through the forests and on the paths…kinda of a un-bothered look on his face…but he still haven’t found what he’s looking for…zoom up in the sky, through the clouds…reaches the mountain top…Bono and Edge on top, singing and playing the guitar, respectivly, and Clayton climbs up the mountain and joins them…zoom out over the sky…Larrt Mullen comes on an ancient flying machine…he is also a wandrer…he reaches themountain top and joins the rest of the band…the end…but the guys still haven’t found what they’re looking for…

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I know a while ago we had a discussion of whether Bullet the Blue Sky belonged on JT or not. Well, recently i found a replace ment for it. Heartland from Rattle and Hum. for me it has that JT feel to it. What is wrong with you?  What things you speak of that reek of self importance.  Did you see the Beatles anthology?  Paul was talking about "The White Album" and how some people thought it was too long and should have been only one record instead of a double.  Paul said, "it’s the bloody Beatles  White Album…..shut up." I see all this bullshit in this newsgroup.  I mean U2 are not your ordinary band….why do you act like an ordinary newsgroup?  Is it becasue you are sleeping.  What do you think Bono means when he sings, "I’m wide awake, I’m not sleeping."

I think you’ve done some SERIOUS misinterpretation there of BOTH Bono and Paul McCartney!!!!!!! First, when McCartney said the above, he was trying to DEemphasize the work.  All he was trying to say is that it’s only an album. People shouldn’t spend that much time trying to interpret songs or decide which song fits better where.  It was simply the Beatles’ choice to make a double album, so they did. That’s that and that’s all.  McCartney was NOT trying to say how great the Beatles were and how DARE anyone question them!   Second, Bono’s quote regarding "I’m not sleeping" has NOTHING to do with how great U2 are!!!!  That song refers is about heroine addiction.  When Bono sings that line, he’s merely trying to state that despite the outward appearance of  heroine addicts, they are indeed awake. This song can be a metaphor about life.  Despite many people’s outward appearance (i.e., they appear to be sleeping through life) they are indeed "awake."   If you feel that we are "sleeping" by commenting on what you feel are banal topics, well, fine.  But for some people, this is an interesting subject.  Your attitude of "U2 are gods" is over the top.  While we may discuss some silly topics, your view of accept everything/question nothing is just as assinine!  We should question things in life, whether that be our faith, our relationships or even our favorite band! Acceptance of everything does NOT promote growth! Most of you don’t know shit about your favorite band.  Jay has tried to open your eyes but all you want to discuss is the ten best songs, or the ten worst songs, or what record could have used what song or what boot is better.   All you are trying to do is fill yourself with importance, like your view about these inane matters matters at all.  Hoe can you disresepect the music and the message so horrible.  U2 are about Love, and

YIKES!!!  Sorry, but it almost seems better to read those "ten favorite songs" lists than read your rantings!  Once again, your total worshipping of U2 is just as bad, if not worse than the discussion of trivial topics.  Not everyone WANTS to know every little detail about the band.  Some just like the music. Imagine that, appreciating U2 just for the music and not because of what YOU THINK they symbolize!  Imagine some people just enjoying U2 for the way the music makes them feel without need for interpretation or further knowledge of the band’s points of view on life.    I bet you cant’ do that, can you? I will admit, I am a fanatic, but to me the music is far more important than anything the band actually does.  And, it probably is because of the music that I am a fanatic.  If I chose, I could actually do without my tidbits of info. about U2’s lives.  For all intents and purposes, that does little for me.  I just like to learn about U2 with the hopes that I can gain access to even more of their music.  And, to me, it’s interesting at times to see what other people think of various songs – whether they like them or not or how someone interprets a certain song.  While this may be inane nonsense to you, it can be not only interesting but fun for others.  Try to gain acceptance of others.  Isn’t that they ULTIMATE message of U2’s music?  Too bad you completely missed it! Can’t you feel IT?????   The Joshua Tree is a fucking prophecy.  The record is perfect. I’m going to fuck with your heads so good.

JT is a great album, but it is NOT my favorite U2 album.  You fail to mention any other albums.  Does any of the other work "touch" you in the same way? Why or why not?  Or are you one of those "freaks" who loves JT and ONLY JT?  JT is hardly a "prophecy."  It is an album about the tragedy of the war and death, but at the same time, it gives hope with songs of faith and love. In AB, Bono’s lyrics take on an even darker side, discussing God and spirituality as well as the "bad" side of human nature.  AB is filled with songs of love gone awry.  No longer were we joyfully singing "How long to sing this song" as we left a U2 concert.  Rather, we were left with the quiet emptiness of "Love is  Blindness."   It is this haunting nature of U2’s music which appeals to me. If you want to be serious, then do so by example as opposed to silly threats like "I’m going to fuck with your heads so good."  What does that even mean?!  Relax and learn to accept that not everyone just blindly accepts U2’s music/beliefs as you do.  Not everyone is quite as fanatical nor do they want to be.   Not everyone wants to discuss the "deep" meanings of their work.  If you wish to begin an interesting thread, then do so by example. Don’t belittle others, that accomplishes nothing. Ciao, John You say that the river finds the way to the sea; And as the river you’ll come to me; Beyond the borders and the thirsty lands; You say that as the river, as the river, love will come…                                 -"Miss Sarajevo"

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I know a while ago we had a discussion of whether Bullet the Blue Sky belonged on JT or not. Well, recently i found a replace ment for it. Heartland from Rattle and Hum. for me it has that JT feel to it. comments? I’ve also always felt that God Part II should’ve been on AB….. any one else feel that way? dh

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writes: I know a while ago we had a discussion of whether Bullet the Blue Sky belonged on JT or not. Well, recently i found a replace ment for it. Heartland from Rattle and Hum. for me it has that JT feel to it.

What is wrong with you?  What things you speak of that reek of self importance.  Did you see the Beatles anthology?  Paul was talking about "The White Album" and how some people thought it was too long and should have been only one record instead of a double.  Paul said, "it’s the bloody Beatles  White Album…..shut up." I see all this bullshit in this newsgroup.  I mean U2 are not your ordinary band….why do you act like an ordinary newsgroup?  Is it becasue you are sleeping.  What do you think Bono means when he sings, "I’m wide awake, I’m not sleeping." Most of you don’t know shit about your favorite band.  Jay has tried to open your eyes but all you want to discuss is the ten best songs, or the ten worst songs, or what record could have used what song or what boot is better.   All you are trying to do is fill yourself with importance, like your view about these inane matters matters at all.  Hoe can you disresepect the music and the message so horrible.  U2 are about Love, and Can’t you feel IT?????   The Joshua Tree is a fucking prophecy.  The record is perfect. I’m going to fuck with your heads so good. If you want to know more about what I’m on about please download my book, "ONELOVESTORY"….it is the first part of the thirs testament http://www.lembke.com/onelovestory.html

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